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Is it true that Bloke is really trying to sell the custom hot rodded 6v 2165???

I think a RM with his modified leadpipe might be the reason...
Mark

Not having played the finished product, the original was already a very good 2165. Tighten up the life sucking front end, and add the valve to correct the few relatively minor intonation issues, and it seems that you would have the ultimate "grand orchestral" tuba - something that combines the best of both worlds of the Deck and Baer models with literally push button intonation (assuming a skilled player).

But really, why did the RM "win"? How does it compare with the RM you used to own?

Thanks for all the details! I just found it interesting that you chose to keep the RM, since it does have characteristics so different than the 2165. But since that's what you were trying to accomplish, it makes sense! About how old is your RM?

tuben wrote:

bloke wrote:Most seem to view rotary valves as passé

If it ain't English, I don't know what it means.

But...but...English is the omnivorous goat of languages that adopts ANY useful construct from ANY other language. Usage determines the vocabulary, not a committee, so English is infinitely adaptable to the needs of its users. There are no real constraints here beyond 'usual and customary' which can be and is broken on any old whim whatsoever. For example, our youth are constantly inventing their own argot which becomes a part of the next generation's dictionary. Chill, bro.

Back on topic, my RM '5/4' Bayreuth BBb has intonation issues that require alternate fingerings on a number of sustained notes above, in, and below the staff, but its unique sound makes it all worthwhile. Only a couple of these alternate fingerings are needed on my Miraphone 191 which has a much different sound that fits in better with smaller ensembles.

gwwilk wrote: There are no real constraints here beyond 'usual and customary' which can be and is broken on any old whim whatsoever.

I could tell that wasn't any English word, because the E had a funny mark over it. We don't do that in English (any more - no one writes naïve any more for example.)

Cool... just curious, no real reason.

Is that 6th valve enough to fix 2-4 combos? What valve combos do you use it for? Trills? Scoops?

Emperor of Core and King of Bass.
Interestingly enough, German-style tubas are often described as being "core"-y or punchy and American-style tubas as being "bass"-y, great laying down that bass foundation far and wide, and yet you've ascribed you're two horns as having exactly the opposite characteristics.

I guess there's no counting for generalizations.

A thing of beauty, to be sure. Looking at it makes one want to go practice excerpts.

FWIW (not much, I know), I would keep the Rudy, too. I often wish I had...

I'm calling it now -- rotary tubas are making a comeback. 6/4 BATs are SO 1990s/2000s.