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There are several experts here on the Holtons, like Dan Oberloh, so I'll hope they chime in. Dan keeps a database of Holton 345 serial numbers and tracks where he thinks they are located. I own a BBb Holton 345 made in 1966 so I'll type out what I have learned. Hopefully I don't get it wrong...lost wrote:This is what I found in other threads/internet sources:
- The dates of production were 1951 to 1975
- Arnold Jacobs played on and owned a few
- it's a 6/4 clone of the CSO York
- Scarce by estimates (only 8 to 10 made a year on order)
- Fewer made in CC, and many BBb's cut down?
- The models were 340, 345, 350 and 355 (more detail please)
- some people have a love/hate relationship with their playability/construction
Please add info/comments/pics or correct my information. It is most appreciated! I'll update my list. Thanks!![]()
P.S. I've included an anonymous poll to see how many there are from board members
Good post, Bandmaster. There didn't seem to be a hard and fast rule about how many tubas had to be on order to start making them. I was told by Ted Kexel that they made them when a hole in the schedule lined up with an order. They were making two when I picked my horn out.Bandmaster wrote:
Because they were assembled only when enough orders were made, usually a different tech assembled the horns each time. This tended to cause lots of inconsistencies in the quality of the construction. Since the techs never had a chance to become proficient at assembling the 345, some horns turned out great, some just OK and some were turkeys.
haven't played it in one year but All i can really say is its the best and most freeblowing horn i have ever played.lost wrote:Jose the tuba player wrote:Heres a picture of my former Highschool Director's Holton 355
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Awesome picture! Can you describe how it played?
I made that assumption... Jacob's CC York had a fifth valve, so I assumed that when he had Holton make a copy they would included the fifth valve. The 1957 photo above shows a 5 valve CC Holton 345. But I guess the fifth valve could have been added later by somebody else. I honestly don't know, since my BBb doesn't have a fifth valve I didn't investigate that aspect of the history fully. But I am sure somebody on this forum does know! Hopefully they will chime in and set the record straight.hbcrandy wrote:In Bandmaster's great historical sketch of the Holton tuba, it says that Arnold Jacobs ordered a 5 valved version of the Holton. I have seen, over the years, several Holtons with a fifth valve that look as if tehy were done by the factory. I assume, then, that the fifth valve was a factory option?
The first sentence fits with Rick Denney's story, the second sentence doesn't really.bloke wrote:My contention is that the Holton was an attempt to get all of the brass principals (in the closest major orchestra to the Holton factory) to play (or, at least own) Holton instruments. The Holton 345 is the fifty-years-ago "Chinese" copy of the CSO York.
I thought maybe 3 were original CC's, but I was SURE that 2 were original CC's. The silver one in the center of each row. I know the bottom one Dan restored in his shop along with mine. The one in the top row I read about in somebody's web posting that he had once owned it and that it has since been disassembled for somebody else's pet project. Oh well... what do I know?Daniel C. Oberloh wrote:And just a side note; The pics Dave posted of the six CC 345s, Only one of the six is an original CC. the others are cut and/or "franken-horns".
The Holton had a supply of top-opening fifth valves that they offered with the 345. When they ran out, they didn't re-order. They were gone by 1970 so it is safe to assume that they ran out in the 60's but that is about as close to a specific date you can get unless Holton will let some erstwhile researcher go through the records.hbcrandy wrote:In Bandmaster's great historical sketch of the Holton tuba, it says that Arnold Jacobs ordered a 5 valved version of the Holton. I have seen, over the years, several Holtons with a fifth valve that look as if tehy were done by the factory. I assume, then, that the fifth valve was a factory option?
I absolutely agree with that.bloke wrote:"Chinese copy" refers to the fact that many Chinese tubas today, in reality, are assembled with more care than many ever-revered Holton 345 tubas were assembled during their era.
You confirmed what I suspected--I thought I recalled the history of more than three of those horns and knew they had been cut.Daniel C. Oberloh wrote:I completely agree with Joe's post here. From what I have observed, Holton 345 BBb tubas are at the top of my list for being the most "crap-tastic" in build quality to leave any factory. But, if properly constructed are one of the best and funnest designs to be found in a 6/4 tuba.
And just a side note; The pics Dave posted of the six CC 345s, Only one of the six is an original CC. the others are cut and/or "franken-horns".