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Need help with a horn id

Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2014 2:14 pm
by ojannen2
I am looking into buying a weird baritone but I can't find any information about it.

The engraving on the bell is "Paris Freres Superior". It has a fairly small bore size and I think the mouthpiece receiver is too small for a standard small shank mouthpiece. The bell is about 11" in size and is very large in comparison to the rest of the horn. It plays very freely in comparison to an old American baritone and an old British baritone. I have a few pictures uploaded here: http://imgur.com/a/doqzL" target="_blank

It needs a bit of work but it plays freely enough that I am at least interested. Can anyone identify the horn?

Re: Need help with a horn id

Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2014 6:45 pm
by imperialbari
Funny hybrid size between the Saxhorns barytons and the Saxhorns basses that were spewed out by factories in France, Belgium, the Netherlands, GDR, and Czechia.

Would like seeing more photos.

Klaus

Re: Need help with a horn id

Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2014 9:33 pm
by dwerden
I have a tenor horn (at least, that's what I'm calling it) that is configured more like a valve trombone, except that it is wrapped on the front side more like a marching baritone. Mine was made in 1985 by Henri Gunkel of Paris and imported by Lyon & Healy, Chicago. As with your sample, the bell is quite large and the receiver is just about big enough to take the first 5/8" or so of a tenor trombone mouthpiece.

Mine sounds closer to a trombone because it stays cylindrical longer and does not taper to as large a size in the bottom bow as yours.

So you could call it a baritone, I think. The tone should be about right, which is a fair determining factor anyway.

Re: Need help with a horn id

Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2014 6:39 am
by ojannen2
Here are a few more pictures: http://imgur.com/a/uVwG7" target="_blank

I ended up passing on the horn because there is nowhere to play it. I was hoping for a baritone so I could double in brass band. It is too big to be a british baritone and too small to be a modern euphonium. I would describe the tone as a bright euphonium sound.

Do you know if a small shank mouthpiece is the right side for a short receiver? I am not sure if it just looks a bit weird or if it needs an even smaller mouthpiece. I am also interested in the age. 70s or 80s seems about right but it also could be quite old.