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Re: Wessex CC "Mahler" valves sticky

Postby Mark Finley » Sun Nov 23, 2014 7:41 pm

what happens if you just play with the valve caps a little loose?
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Re: Wessex CC "Mahler" valves sticky

Postby balchb » Sun Nov 23, 2014 8:35 pm

58mark wrote:what happens if you just play with the valve caps a little loose?


Same thing... Still sticks. It did when I spun the rotor after putting the back plate on. I put the cap on and gave the stem and stopper arm a shot wit the mallet to seat it into the plate, but that didn't change anything either.
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Re: Wessex CC "Mahler" valves sticky

Postby bort » Sun Nov 23, 2014 8:36 pm

balchb wrote:No screws on the caps, I haven't changed the order of anything. The pic shows plastic cups labeled with the valve numbers to avoid such a problem.


Good method, but I never would have seen that or thought to look back at the picture a second time. I think it looks like a picture of a table with half of a tuba in it. :roll: I know, I'm not helpful, I'll shutup now. :)
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Re: Wessex CC "Mahler" valves sticky

Postby KiltieTuba » Sun Nov 23, 2014 8:42 pm

And you're sure it's the rotor and not the paddle assembly?
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Re: Wessex CC "Mahler" valves sticky

Postby balchb » Sun Nov 23, 2014 8:47 pm

KiltieTuba wrote:And you're sure it's the rotor and not the paddle assembly?


It was still doing it before I reattached the linkage (rub on the inside).

I suspect a warped casing, warped rotor or bent valve stem. The clearance of the other valves are all good... 4 has a slight catch when its all the way down, but tolerable. Not sure how any of that can happen on a new tuba. The oil/grease combo also seems fine on the other valves.
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Re: Wessex CC "Mahler" valves sticky

Postby balchb » Mon Nov 24, 2014 2:34 pm

Just got a pm from someone that said he had to get his valve parts replaced on his Wessex BBb.... Hmm...
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Re: Wessex CC "Mahler" valves sticky

Postby Mark Finley » Mon Nov 24, 2014 2:39 pm

good luck. Let me know if you need some ideas for shops to contact if you need a valve
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Re: Wessex CC "Mahler" valves sticky

Postby MartyNeilan » Mon Nov 24, 2014 3:01 pm

the obvious:
Eating right before you play - especially depending on what you eat - can have an adverse effect on valve action.
I have known anal clarinetists (is there any other kind) who carry around a toothbrush and brush their teeth every time before playing.
When I have had a rehearsal-dinner-concert, I make sure to go to a sink or water fountain and thoroughly rinse my mouth out. Amazing all the stuff that comes out!

Disclaimer: this may have nothing to do with your problem. Then again, it may.
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Re: Wessex CC "Mahler" valves sticky

Postby bort » Mon Nov 24, 2014 3:20 pm

It's not just clarinet players Marty, I always have a toothbrush and toothpaste in my bag... food bits in my mouth/teeth are just plain gross when I'm playing.

In other words, if my valves are sticking, it's from beer, not food. :wink:
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Re: Wessex CC "Mahler" valves sticky

Postby The Big Ben » Mon Nov 24, 2014 7:19 pm

You have a guarantee from a reputable dealer who is about one hour from where you are. Get Wessex on the phone and get it fixed and quit screwing around with it. You might void your guarantee by making it worse with your "fixing".
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Re: Wessex CC "Mahler" valves sticky

Postby balchb » Mon Nov 24, 2014 7:43 pm

The Big Ben wrote:You have a guarantee from a reputable dealer who is about one hour from where you are. Get Wessex on the phone and get it fixed and quit screwing around with it. You might void your guarantee by making it worse with your "fixing".


Work in on it, boss. Not making anything worse. It's really not as complicated as the "screwing around" you've noted. I've had 2 tuba professors show me how to do it properly. If you don't have a constructive comment, stay off the thread. I was just seeing if I could take care of it before they have to take it back for several weeks to do any warranty work. He's a one-man-show for the USA operations for Wessex and can't instantly take care of it.
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Re: Wessex CC "Mahler" valves sticky

Postby the elephant » Mon Nov 24, 2014 7:50 pm

balchb wrote:f you don't have a constructive comment, stay off the thread.


Well, sounds like you have it all figured out, then. Congratulations on that. Is this thread over now? Just sayin'... :roll:

(By the way, smart guy, he made a constructive comment. Maybe you need to look that term up while you work furiously to drop that chip off your shoulder.)
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Re: Wessex CC "Mahler" valves sticky

Postby UncleBeer » Mon Nov 24, 2014 8:05 pm

the elephant wrote:
balchb wrote:f you don't have a constructive comment, stay off the thread.


Well, sounds like you have it all figured out, then. Congratulations on that. Is this thread over now? Just sayin'... :roll:

Naw: dollars to donuts he'll have some more public commentary before letting Jonathan make it right for him. :?
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Re: Wessex CC "Mahler" valves sticky

Postby balchb » Mon Nov 24, 2014 9:06 pm

the elephant wrote:Well, sounds like you have it all figured out, then. Congratulations on that. Is this thread over now? Just sayin'... :roll:


Don't like it, don't read it. Pretty simple...

(By the way, smart guy, he made a constructive comment. Maybe you need to look that term up while you work furiously to drop that chip off your shoulder.)


"Perhaps you should consider stopping until they have a chance to handle it" would have been a little more courteous way to put it...?? Sorry to have stepped on Big Ben and Elephant's overly-sensitive toes...

UncleBeer wrote:Naw: dollars to donuts he'll have some more public commentary before letting Jonathan make it right for him. :?


Manufacturer defect isn't what crossed my mind with a sticky valve and a little black on the inside... I tried the warm water rinse down the lead pipe and then water/dish soap, and it didn't work. Andy wanted to see if oiling/playing would free up the horn and I didn't want to make a huge case out of it. I came here to get help, which usually is a great place to get questions answered. After seeing that the black on the inside wasn't coming off with just simply taking out the rotor and brushing it off, I went a step further. Perhaps it wasn't the smartest move being under warranty, but it didn't hurt anything.

By the way - the other valves work much better after the chem cleaning. I guess I "have it all figured out then" :roll:

Thank you for the other helpful comments. I'm going to hang tight from here on out.
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Re: Wessex CC "Mahler" valves sticky

Postby UncleBeer » Mon Nov 24, 2014 9:12 pm

balchb wrote: I came here to get help


And why not go directly to the retailer with your concerns, instead of airing them in public? Jonathan's get a sterling reputation for making things right, when that's what the customer's after.
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Re: Wessex CC "Mahler" valves sticky

Postby balchb » Mon Nov 24, 2014 9:22 pm

UncleBeer wrote:
balchb wrote: I came here to get help


And why not go directly to the retailer with your concerns, instead of airing them in public? Jonathan's get a sterling reputation for making things right, when that's what the customer's after.


Good question - and probably ignorance on my part with being unaware of the 3-year defect guarantee. Had I known that, I probably would have thought twice before a full dismantle/cleaning. I think it was Kiltie Tuba that first mentioned it on the thread... my mistake.

I never intended for this to be a public slam on Wessex. I thought I was outside of a 7-day/30-day risk-free trial (again, should have checked). In fact, I mentioned being quite pleased with the instrument, just frustrated with the valve. I've promoted this brand to numerous band directors in my area and I'll very likely buy from them in the future. The BBb "Luzern" was a GREAT horn when I tried it as was a bass bone. Andy was very courteous and answered the many questions I had.

My sincere apology to Jonathan and Andy if I've over-stepped any boundary or gave a bad impression on Wessex... that was definitely not my intent.
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Re: Wessex CC "Mahler" valves sticky

Postby The Big Ben » Mon Nov 24, 2014 11:15 pm

Nobody has stepped on my toes. I guess you get what you pay for when you come to the TNFJ for your advice.
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Re: Wessex CC "Mahler" valves sticky

Postby the elephant » Tue Nov 25, 2014 12:30 am

This is better entertainment than network television. Oh, wait...
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Re: Wessex CC "Mahler" valves sticky

Postby bort » Tue Nov 25, 2014 1:13 am

the elephant wrote:This is better entertainment than network television. Oh, wait...


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Re: Wessex CC "Mahler" valves sticky

Postby mctuba1 » Tue Nov 25, 2014 2:53 am

First thing, I would be careful of using synthetic oils as they will leave a residue on the valve and inside the casing. Over time the valve will get sluggesh and can be a pain to clean out properly.

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