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Bolero Roadmap

Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2015 1:44 pm
by Mark
If you are playing Ravel's Bolero, this might be helpful: Bolero Roadmap.

Re: Bolero Roadmap

Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2015 10:39 pm
by eupher61
It's been a while since I played it...which is the tuba entrance? That would be even more helpful for a tuba player! :tuba:

Re: Bolero Roadmap

Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2015 12:50 pm
by Mark
Rehearsal 14. That is clearly marked in the part. It's what happens before that, including the cues that is not clear.

Re: Bolero Roadmap

Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2015 1:06 pm
by MartyNeilan
I have heard some trombone players sweat over the high solo in Bolero the way some tuba players fear Bydlo.

Re: Bolero Roadmap

Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2015 2:45 pm
by Mark
The trombone solo is obvious when it rolls around at Rehearsal 10, just a few measures after the principal trombone finishes vomiting. This is a good time for the tuba player to wake up and start thinking about the extremely important and challenging tuba part coming up after 250+ measures of rest.

Re: Bolero Roadmap

Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2015 3:10 pm
by Three Valves
Is this what they use in performances when the stage starts empty and fills as the number starts then goes on, and on, and on...

Re: Bolero Roadmap

Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2015 6:08 pm
by Steve Marcus
Can't blame Ravel. He hated the piece himself.

Re: Bolero Roadmap

Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2015 8:21 pm
by ScottM
In my 20th century lit class the form was defined as "AB ad nauseum"
ScottM

Re: Bolero Roadmap

Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2015 12:38 am
by eupher61
Yeah, it's in the PART, but not in this CHART.

Heck, with this, a conductor shouldn't need a score.

Re: Bolero Roadmap

Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2015 1:40 am
by David Richoux
Peter Schickele started many of his P.D.Q. Bach concerts with the "Hello Symphony." The musicians would gradually wander on to the stage, sit down and start playing - it takes quite a while. Usually it would finish with a trombone player making a late entrance with his horn still in the case, he would put it together and do a big circus gliss.

On the other hand, I have seen the San Francisco "Brass Band" do Bolero, starting with the tuba player at the back of the hall - he would play the bass line while climbing over every row of chairs, moving people out of the way as he made his way to the stage! Very effective, even with just a 5 piece group.

Re: Bolero Roadmap

Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2015 12:39 pm
by barry grrr-ero
I don't think it really matters exactly where you enter, as long as it's down the road where the music is loud enough - the tuba is just doubling the string basses. As for the big key change near the end, it's nearly impossible not to hear that coming a mile away. Take one listen to a recording of Bolero with your part and you probably won't need to count the thing. Maybe write in some aural cue in your part. Don't sweat it.

"Can't blame Ravel. He hated the piece himself"

My understanding was that he was just annoyed by its popularity. He allegedly said, "I've composed one masterpiece: my Bolero (not true, by the way). Unfortunately, it doesn't contain any music".

Re: Bolero Roadmap

Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2015 3:00 pm
by David Richoux
Here is a slightly different version: by Frank Zappa!

Re: Bolero Errata

Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2015 4:52 pm
by musikfind1
A 16 pages, ca. 230 entries errata list for all instruments, for the Durand/Boosey publication rental parts is available at
<proofer1(at)comcast.net>

Tuba entries extracted from that list:

Saxes, Tromb.III, Tuba.
Score page 66 Reh. #18 Measure 14 beat 1
Add staccato as printed in the parts. Added by J.M. Not in Tromb. III, Tuba in A.O.
[A.O. = Arbie Orenstein, Eulenburg edition. J.M. = Jean-François Monnard, Breitkopf edition. These editions are not legal in the U.S.]

Tuba Part Reh.16 Measure 12 beat 1
Remove the accent as simile is printed at Reh. 16 meas. 3.