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You are correct about the Weil. It has several workmanship issues . I will list the for you :

A. Three of the five tuning slides don't match perfectly and
are a little difficult to replace when I pull them out to empty
water. The other two are fine.

B. The finished is flawed. There are little spiderweb like
scratches on some of the horn. It seems like mostly in the
areas where the horn is in contact with linning of the case.

C. It has a little ping on one of the tubes. Very small really. I
thought this was a new horn. HMMMM

D. It has two "blemishes" on it.

F. I started to get a rattleing noise the other might when I was
practicing. It was the first chance I had to really open her up
and really belt out on the horn. The bell viberated in a
way I have never experienced a bell do and then the rattle
started . Got any ideas what that is ?

So anyway at this point I think any sane and rational brass playing human being whith any good sense would have been sayin " I am think this crap back to The Tuba Exchange and getting my money back !!!" But I am finding it hard to do . Why? you say .
Becase it is a ......... BAD *** HORN !!!

I really love it's sound . Maybe it's because I have never played a really good horn for more then a few minutes and I am just inexperinced but I am rally having a hard time turning this thing in.

Monday night in concert band I had the pleasure of sitting next to one really good player on a Yamaha 321 and an excellent college kid on a Willson and I think this horn held it's own.Even with little ol'e me playing.

What do you think guys. Should I keep it or should I ask for another one. What does Rick Denny, bloke, elimia,woodshedding and all you other pro's think .I'd like to hear from you.[/b]

Have you tried to see if you could exchange it. They might be made somewhat inconsistantly and could differ a lot from horn to horn. I know my school has two old Conn 5j tubas that are consecutive in serial numbers but differ greatly, slides aren't interchangeble, stuff like that. just an idea, I'll would like to see what rick and bloke and woodsheddin and some of you other extremely knowledgeable people think.

Ben

Thank you for your comments.

I just want to make sure I have completly understood you
" bloke".
Were your last comment made with tounge planted firmly in cheek ?

I think I read you loud and clear . Anyone else want to chime in? I still have 16 days to make a return .

I will investigate the ratteling noise more closely. Maybe some thing is just a little loose.

Thanks for you advice bloke . It is alway a pleasure to read you comments.

Hmmm, the only thing I could relate to re: your comments on the horn was the finish. When I received my Weril, the only noticeable thing was a faint line around the bell where it appeared to have not been rebuffed and finished where the bell was attached to the horn. Otherwise I didn't have any other complaints. There were no rattles. Slides seemed to fit fine, but then again I always keep a lot of slide grease applied to slides.

IMO, if you have this many problems now, they aren't going to get better with age. I would return it for another Weril. A new horn shouldn't be having those problems. It appears that the finish isn't the primary concern of Weril, so you might have to live with a non-perfect finish on them.

I think the most important thing above all is the sound and intonation, which are strong on this brand. The horn is a good choice along those lines.

elimia wrote: IMO, if you have this many problems now, they aren't going to get better with age. I would return it for another Weril. A new horn shouldn't be having those problems. It appears that the finish isn't the primary concern of Weril, so you might have to live with a non-perfect finish on them.

Want another opinion? Well, here it is: send it back and wait for a Yamaha. After working on no fewer than 100 school and customer-owned Werils, I have found that they are not built anywhere near as well as the Yamaha instrument (321 or like). The buffing is subpar, the fit of the valves is so-so, and the quality of the brass (as it holds up to work) is poor. They may sound OK, but so does the Yamaha. In 10 years the Yamaha will have good value, the Weril????????? I am guessing $120 on Ebay in "like new" condition. "Like new" condition in 10 years for a Weril could only be achieved by putting it in a climate-controlled storage unit and not touching it for the duration of the decade.

Again, this opinion is based on years of repairing these things.

bloke wrote: Folks today are spoiled by so-called plasma-welded bell seams. If you take a look at any older tuba (and quite a few new ones) the big bell seams are quite pronounced. The reason the seam shows up more on Weril eupho's is because it runs parallel to the bell rim, instead of (like many tuba bell seams) in a "V" shape - usually on the back of the bell.

bloke "who suspects that Weril will eventually change to newer-technology bell seams"

?? Maybe I don't get it, but I always thougt that the straight circular seam was the modern one, and the V shaped seam the old fashioned way, which is becoming more popular due to percieved or real better properties of such a bell?

Mine too has the same seam around the bell. I did not given much thought to that becuase I have seen it elsewhere and thought it to be "normal". It is certainly the least of my problems.

As far as the concerns of the repairs on the horn..I am adult who worked very hard to earn this horn. Not some careless kid tossing this thing around the band room. I will protect this expensive instrument like it was one of my own kids !!

Unless this is a total piece of crap that falls apart from just looking at it I hope I will not have to worry about have any serious work being done on it !!!!
Now ...... I has spoken !!!!!

My apologies to Bloke for stealing his catch phrase.