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Small Ensemble Mouthpiece Question
Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2015 9:03 pm
by tyrell1111
I am about to start my second year of college and I really enjoy playing in the concert band on campus. At the beginning of this past semester, I started playing in a brass quintet with some of my friends in the band. I am currently playing a school provided instrument (I really wish I knew what kind...) and using a PT-50 mouthpiece. One of my professors mentioned something about having a different mouthpiece for the quintet for a brighter and crisper sound as compared to a darker sound for concert band. I really like my PT-50, but I have no idea what to get for this other mouthpiece. Any suggestions? Thanks!
Re: Small Ensemble Mouthpiece Question
Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2015 11:03 pm
by toobagrowl
Mouthpieces are a very personal thing, so you just have to test 'em yourself. Maybe give a Bach 18 (and it's clones) a try, a Blokepiece 'solo', a PT-68 or 65? Just throwing some out there....
Re: Small Ensemble Mouthpiece Question
Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2015 12:27 am
by Heavy_Metal
In general, a shallower cup will brighten the sound. Your PT-50, which is basically a Helleberg type, has the following specs (all info from
http://www.tubaforum.it/Perantucci/Pera ... pieces.pdf" target="_blank ):
Rim inner diameter- 33.0 mm
Rim width/type- 7.5 mm, flat with a sharp inner edge
Bore- 8.3 mm
Cup- deep, funnel-shaped
Since you're playing a Perantucci, you might want to stay within that line and rim diameter, and try playing a PT-38:
Rim I.D. 33.0 mm
Rim width/type - 7.5 mm, rounded inner and outer edges
Bore: 8.3 mm
Cup- moderately deep, funnel-shaped, moderately round at bottom
or a PT-44:
Rim I.D. 33.0 mm
Rim width/type - 7.5 mm, rounded inner and sharp outer edges
Bore: 8.4 mm
Cup- moderately deep, funnel-shaped
Good luck!
Re: Small Ensemble Mouthpiece Question
Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2015 12:35 am
by EMC
Try a Yamaha C4, those are very good moderate sized mouthpieces that will definitely offer a brighter tone than a pt-50 and they are very easy to play on in most cases and usually work well with most all horns.
Re: Small Ensemble Mouthpiece Question
Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2015 8:26 am
by eupho
since your professor made the recommendation ask him what he would suggest.
Re: Small Ensemble Mouthpiece Question
Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2015 11:05 pm
by eupher61
Or, ignore that advice and play the dadgum tuba. If you don't know what the instrument is, you must not have it with you. No mouthpiece will work in that situation.
Re: Small Ensemble Mouthpiece Question
Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2015 11:26 pm
by eupho
Really? Really??
An opportunity to educate a student obviously in need and that's all you have to offer? Sarcasm?????
Not what this site is about.
Re: Small Ensemble Mouthpiece Question
Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2015 12:40 am
by tyrell1111
Thanks for the great answers! I will certainly be looking into this before the school year starts. I"ll probably stick to the Perantucci line, for consistency's sake, but this gives me a solid starting point! Thanks for the help!
Re: Small Ensemble Mouthpiece Question
Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2015 1:30 am
by k001k47
Disclaimer: my opinion is far from "expert" *see signature
The "small ensemble" mouthpiece is a murky topic. While, as your teacher stated, a "brighter", or more brilliant tone is desirable, a penetrating laser-like solo voice is out of place. The tuba plays a supporting bass role in these ensembles (and, IMO, the tuba should ALWAYS play this role. A tuba player trying to showcase the agility of a fiddler usually sounds comical) ; it is a foundation, and is not competing with other instruments to be on top of a sound pyramid. Taking this load of crap into consideration, a mouthpiece somewhere in between those marketed as solo mouthpieces and, well. . . big mouthpieces should fit the bill well. My advice is to find a beater "solo" mouthpiece which has a rim that you are comfortable with (and maybe?:help you play with the agility of a fiddler) and bore out the throat of it to give it a little more frijoles.
Take the preceding words with a grain of salt. I've never actually thought of any of that when I look for a new mouthpiece. I just try stuff and use what sounds good.
Re: Small Ensemble Mouthpiece Question
Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2015 3:09 pm
by jpetty24
I've got a PT-32 that I'm selling that may fit your bill. Although the rim is different, it may be worth considering. I like the sound it gives, being a little on the lighter brighter side, but it wasn't the all around fit I needed. My only complaint was that it didn't play high volumes as controlled as my Helleberg, but that may be a personal issue, especially as I'm not the experienced tuba player yet. I'm primarily a Euphonium player but picking Tuba as my serious double. Range is good as far as I used it, lows to highs.
Cup: 32.5 mm diameter / Medium-large. Funnel-shaped.
Rim: 8 mm / Rounded inner and outer edges.
Bore: 8.3 mm.
Model PT-32 is similar to Model PT-30 while slightly larger. It provides substantial middle and low register volume with easy high range accessibility. For contrabass tubas.