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Re: Lovin' Me Some Helicon!!!! Need some horn porn.

Postby Casca Grossa » Sat Aug 12, 2017 4:28 pm

bigtubby wrote:Stumbled upon this thread again and reminded me that I've acquired a couple of Cerveny helicons in F since my last post. The 4/4 has become my go to horn.
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I almost forgot about my own post. Those are really nice. I keep following eBay to see if I can find a bargain. One of these days I will have one.
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Re: Lovin' Me Some Helicon!!!! Need some horn porn.

Postby bigtubby » Sat Aug 12, 2017 5:11 pm

Casca Grossa wrote:
bigtubby wrote:Stumbled upon this thread again and reminded me that I've acquired a couple of Cerveny helicons in F since my last post. The 4/4 has become my go to horn.
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I almost forgot about my own post. Those are really nice. I keep following eBay to see if I can find a bargain. One of these days I will have one.

Frank Hosemann (g.mu6 on ebay) usually has newer Amati F helicons on ebay. I bought the 4/4 from him in fact (it needed some work). He's a straight shooter and has a couple on ebay now for under $1500.00 OBO - shoot him an offer.
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Re: Lovin' Me Some Helicon!!!! Need some horn porn.

Postby Heliconer » Sun Aug 13, 2017 12:48 pm

Here's a video of my Twin brother and I playing some George Formby. I'm using a King Helicon that I no longer own.

https://youtu.be/jFSwFrp0xdw
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Re: Lovin' Me Some Helicon!!!! Need some horn porn.

Postby humBell » Mon Aug 14, 2017 10:40 pm

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humBell wrote:Anyway, this post will serve to me as a reminder that i'll put something in this thread....



Sorry i am late to the party...

Does this count?

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(editted so size appears reasonable... learn something new every... so often.)


Hells yeah, it is way cool!


Thank ya kindly!

My bad for not identifying it...

Early 1880s Boosey & Co. Eb helicon. Using a conn bit.

I believe i flushed it out with water, and played fine right off the bat, as long as i held the water key closed. Got spring for the water key (ziptied on because it isn't quite right, or i am just clumsy) and replaced the valve springs, but haven't done anything else for it yet. Has a wonderful sound, but not so loud as to knock others' socks off.

For those who come to this thread for the articles, there is a pretty good story here...

The fellow who sold this to me recruited me for local parades, and has paid me more for them than i paid him for this. Sadly, most of the time, he prefers sousaphones so i have not yet marched for him with this.

One of these days i'll get another helicon picture up here...
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Re: Lovin' Me Some Helicon!!!! Need some horn porn.

Postby dwcramer2 » Tue Sep 05, 2017 7:54 pm

This is my 1917 Conn (Elkhart) BBb 4-valve helicon, with a 22" bell; refurbished with a polished silver finish by Lee Stofer in 2015-16 (you might recognize his photoshoot location). All original parts except the 3rd valve slide bow (the original of which was crushed beyond repair), and the 3rd valve slide water key which was added to the new crook for convenience.
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Re: Lovin' Me Some Helicon!!!! Need some horn porn.

Postby Casca Grossa » Tue Sep 05, 2017 9:24 pm

dwcramer2 wrote:This is my 1917 Conn (Elkhart) BBb 4-valve helicon, with a 22" bell; refurbished with a polished silver finish by Lee Stofer in 2015-16 (you might recognize his photoshoot location). All original parts except the 3rd valve slide bow (the original of which was crushed beyond repair), and the 3rd valve slide water key which was added to the new crook for convenience.


Wow!!!
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Re: Lovin' Me Some Helicon!!!! Need some horn porn.

Postby Gongadin » Thu Nov 23, 2017 2:43 pm

Here's the 1903 Conn BBb I bought from Tom here on TubeNet:
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Re: Lovin' Me Some Helicon!!!! Need some horn porn.

Postby Casca Grossa » Thu Nov 23, 2017 5:10 pm

Gongadin wrote:Here's the 1903 Conn BBb I bought from Tom here on TubeNet:
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Very cool
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Re: Lovin' Me Some Helicon!!!! Need some horn porn.

Postby bloke » Thu Nov 23, 2017 7:19 pm

anyone interested in one of those cute little big-belled Buescher Eb helicons in good shape with a custom Altieri bag for $1100 plus GPX...??
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Re: Lovin' Me Some Helicon!!!! Need some horn porn.

Postby bigtubby » Sat Nov 25, 2017 12:46 pm

On the seedier side of horn porn: "Joe" or "Mr. Stalin", Ukrainian BBb helikon. Ugly as all get-out but lots of fun to play.
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Re: Lovin' Me Some Helicon!!!! Need some horn porn.

Postby Donn » Sat Nov 25, 2017 4:04 pm

bigtubby wrote:On the seedier side of horn porn: "Joe" or "Mr. Stalin", Ukrainian BBb helikon. Ugly as all get-out but lots of fun to play.


With practically no bell flare, is it pretty directional?
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Re: Lovin' Me Some Helicon!!!! Need some horn porn.

Postby bigtubby » Sat Nov 25, 2017 4:47 pm

Donn wrote:
bigtubby wrote:On the seedier side of horn porn: "Joe" or "Mr. Stalin", Ukrainian BBb helikon. Ugly as all get-out but lots of fun to play.


With practically no bell flare, is it pretty directional?

Yes and it fits pretty much the way it is on the stand - with the bell horizontal. My bandmates request that I carefully choose my seating position when using this horn. These things look ancient but I have seen the same design St. Pete/Lenningrad helicons (which are stamped with dates) into the 1960s.

It is fun to play, I have several York Monster Eb's and have always wished for a contrabass which played similarly and this is pretty close: huge, open voice and similarly tricky steering.
I will never have Wolfgang Rabensteiner's chops but his is a nickel plated version of Mr. Stalin, he told me that his junk shop score is unmarked as well.
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Re: Lovin' Me Some Helicon!!!! Need some horn porn.

Postby Casca Grossa » Sun Nov 26, 2017 5:38 pm

bigtubby wrote:
Donn wrote:
bigtubby wrote:On the seedier side of horn porn: "Joe" or "Mr. Stalin", Ukrainian BBb helikon. Ugly as all get-out but lots of fun to play.


With practically no bell flare, is it pretty directional?

Yes and it fits pretty much the way it is on the stand - with the bell horizontal. My bandmates request that I carefully choose my seating position when using this horn. These things look ancient but I have seen the same design St. Pete/Lenningrad helicons (which are stamped with dates) into the 1960s.

It is fun to play, I have several York Monster Eb's and have always wished for a contrabass which played similarly and this is pretty close: huge, open voice and similarly tricky steering.
I will never have Wolfgang Rabensteiner's chops but his is a nickel plated version of Mr. Stalin, he told me that his junk shop score is unmarked as well.
https://youtu.be/9yilOvZyPXk


What is intonation like and what is it like to carry one? I play one or two marching gigs and see these come up from time to time at a reasonable price. Would be interested in looking into one if they aren't an ergonomic pain and if it can be played in tune.
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Re: Lovin' Me Some Helicon!!!! Need some horn porn.

Postby bigtubby » Sun Nov 26, 2017 11:11 pm

Casca Grossa wrote:What is intonation like and what is it like to carry one? I play one or two marching gigs and see these come up from time to time at a reasonable price. Would be interested in looking into one if they aren't an ergonomic pain and if it can be played in tune.


For me it balances well (Wolfgang in the video above is about a foot shorter than am I) and weighs about 16 pounds 12 ounces which is a fairly light BBb contrabass.

Intonation is basically like a three valve tuba with a more rapidly expanding bugle than usual. I found that having dozens of different mouthpieces was a good thing. I found that an old King #26 worked well but YMMV and I've been known to revisit these decisions. "close enough for jazz" as they say.

For the price (typically under five hundred bucks including shipping), they seem a bargain to me. Once again YMMV - you might despise them. "Why have 3 valves when you can have 6 and a main tuning slide kicker???" leads me to suspect that you might despise them. As "they" have been known to say: "It is what it is".
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Regarding your own needs/desires, you might go to youtube and search for "Moscow Ragtime Band" to hear what a much better player than I (Stas Cheremushkin) can do with funky old three valve tubas.
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Re: Lovin' Me Some Helicon!!!! Need some horn porn.

Postby Casca Grossa » Mon Nov 27, 2017 9:15 am

bigtubby wrote:
Casca Grossa wrote:What is intonation like and what is it like to carry one? I play one or two marching gigs and see these come up from time to time at a reasonable price. Would be interested in looking into one if they aren't an ergonomic pain and if it can be played in tune.


For me it balances well (Wolfgang in the video above is about a foot shorter than am I) and weighs about 16 pounds 12 ounces which is a fairly light BBb contrabass.

Intonation is basically like a three valve tuba with a more rapidly expanding bugle than usual. I found that having dozens of different mouthpieces was a good thing. I found that an old King #26 worked well but YMMV and I've been known to revisit these decisions. "close enough for jazz" as they say.

For the price (typically under five hundred bucks including shipping), they seem a bargain to me. Once again YMMV - you might despise them. "Why have 3 valves when you can have 6 and a main tuning slide kicker???" leads me to suspect that you might despise them. As "they" have been known to say: "It is what it is".
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Regarding your own needs/desires, you might go to youtube and search for "Moscow Ragtime Band" to hear what a much better player than I (Stas Cheremushkin) can do with funky old three valve tubas.


Thanks for the info. These horns have always piqued my interest. I mainly just like the look of them. They would look pretty cool in a parade. I currently borrow a really nice Pan American helicon from another TNFJ member that is a 3 valve BBb and the intonation is outstanding. One funky note on the whole horn. It is a pleasure to play. I do love point and shoot horns and don't mind 3 valves at all.
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Re: Lovin' Me Some Helicon!!!! Need some horn porn.

Postby brassbow » Sat Dec 02, 2017 6:39 pm

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My “original” Hopf eb. Made in east germany. Have to do weird alternate fingerings. Eb in the staff instead of open is 23. D instead of second is 1/3 low Bb becomes 123
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Re: Lovin' Me Some Helicon!!!! Need some horn porn.

Postby Casca Grossa » Sat Dec 02, 2017 10:56 pm

brassbow wrote:Image

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My “original” Hopf eb. Made in east germany. Have to do weird alternate fingerings. Eb in the staff instead of open is 23. D instead of second is 1/3 low Bb becomes 123


It sure is pirty though
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Re: Lovin' Me Some Helicon!!!! Need some horn porn.

Postby bigtubby » Sat Dec 09, 2017 8:09 pm

Just stumbled across some old videos of the Dutch Army Bicycle Band. Any heliconophile should appreciate them.
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