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A great discovery and some horn dorn...

Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2015 9:34 am
by bisontuba
Hi-
I recently visited an old New York State town band that was formed in 1830 and became its 'current self' concert band in 1857. I visited their archives and discovered this ultra rare and important Eb 3 string rotor German Silver with garland contra bass upright sax horn ( the finger touches are missing, but I was able to move the rotors by hand in correct position to make certain it is an Eb tuba). The killer part is that it has a shield on it saying: 'Lawrence Brass Band Org. Feb 1849 Made by Graves & Co. Boston'

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I spent a good deal of July researching this band which was founded in Lawrence, Mass on February 6, 1849. The Bandsmen also were in the Civil War, an original Eb cornet parts book still exists, etc. I have enough info on the band to literally write a book on it.
Graves & Co is the 'Father of Wind & Brass Making' in the USA. Graves started in Vermont, moved to New Hampshire in 1830, moved to Boston in 1850 and the firm became Gilmore & Graves in 1864. This instrument was most likely made in the mid to late 1850's. An Over The Shoulder Cornet bell that was found by itself is the only other known item to have this Lawrence/Graves shield --this is the ONLY complete instrument known with this shield.

I have made a signed arrangement with this Band to have it restored/conserved back to playing condition 'on my nickel' with the agreement being that whenever I want to borrow the instrument for performing, lectures, discussions, etc., I can have it at any time and will also keep up the maintanence on it.
A repairman in the area who does my vintage horn repair work will restore the horn.

I am happy to be able to not just find this important ultra rare instrument, but help to 'bring it back to life.'

Mark

Re: A great discovery and some horn dorn...

Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2015 10:39 am
by groovlow
Great find! Lots of people guarded this old tuba for a long time
to see the light of day in such good condition.
Graves really goes all the way back to the beginning
of American brass builders... pre Boston Musical Instrument.

Congratulations on the deal
Best Wishes
Joe

Re: A great discovery and some horn dorn...

Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2015 10:46 am
by bort
Mark, what NYS town was it?!

Re: A great discovery and some horn dorn...

Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2015 12:16 pm
by bisontuba
bort wrote:Mark, what NYS town was it?!

Near Arcade, NY....
Mark

Re: A great discovery and some horn dorn...

Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2015 1:51 pm
by bort
Awesome, good find, Mark! I can only imagine what else is hiding in all those small towns upstate!

Re: A great discovery and some horn dorn...

Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2015 4:42 pm
by iiipopes
Cool!

Re: A great discovery and some horn dorn...

Posted: Sun Aug 09, 2015 10:17 am
by bisontuba
Hi-
Never ever complain about music you read in a group. Here is a page from the only known existing Lawrence Brass Band parts book. It's for Eb cornet. FYI-mark

PS. This is from a marching band parts book from the 1850's...what is below is enlarged greatly!!

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Re: A great discovery and some horn dorn...

Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2015 3:21 pm
by bisontuba
Restoration has just begun.....

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Things taken apart...


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The bell section, made of German Silver, cleaned up and now ready for dent work...

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...and the shield on the bell cleaned up too....and it's sterling silver...

Re: A great discovery and some horn dorn...

Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2015 3:42 pm
by tbn.al
Wow. Just wow!

Re: A great discovery and some horn dorn...

Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2015 10:02 am
by Ben
very nice mark!

Re: A great discovery and some horn dorn...

Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2015 7:44 am
by bisontuba
It lives!

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I finally get to try it tonight during a presentation of historic brass instruments I'm doing....

Re: A great discovery and some horn dorn...

Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2015 8:13 am
by LucGeraats
Super! Congratz on the restauration!

Re: A great discovery and some horn dorn...

Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2015 12:00 pm
by Tubajug
Did you have it plated as well? It looks great!

Re: A great discovery and some horn dorn...

Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2015 12:13 pm
by pwhitaker
Do you have a video?

Re: A great discovery and some horn dorn...

Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2015 1:11 pm
by Bob Kolada
To me, it looks proportionate to a Moritz tuba, does it sound like one?

Re: A great discovery and some horn dorn...

Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2015 2:04 pm
by bisontuba
I am giving a talk demo tonight at 730PM on old instruments and it will be here for me to play around 3PM...we'll see how it plays......hopefully good. Not plated, but all German Silver--even the replicated parts that were missing are German Silver....
Mark

Re: A great discovery and some horn dorn...

Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2015 2:25 pm
by Tubajug
Very cool! It must have just been that tarnished! The "before" pictures look like raw brass, which is why I thought it might have been plated for the "after" photo. Neat find! I hope it plays as good as it looks now!

Re: A great discovery and some horn dorn...

Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2015 3:55 pm
by bisontuba
Hi-
More pics of the horn--now in my hands.

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Very interesting. Quite possibly, this was a four valve horn at one point. Rotors internally are marked 1, 2, & 4. Rotors are excellent and compression is at a '2.' Maybe it was used in the War (Civil War) and got damaged? However, there are no 'solder shadows' indicating where 4th valve tubing would have been. That is why the replicated German silver touches are '2 up, 1 down.' We have seen other 4 valve Graves tubas --but nothing by Graves in this shape configuration!-- with 2 up and two down. And despite a LOT of research by yours truly and others, no one has seen a horn by Graves with this design configuration. The shield is sterling silver and notates the founding of the Lawrence Brass Band (MA) in Feb of 1849... the horn was probably made in the late 1850's.
And.... It Does Play! Quite nicely too.
And it gets its public debut tonight at my talk!
Mark

PS. My repairman said he doesn't want to see German silver for a month....tough stuff to use in replicating parts!

Re: A great discovery and some horn dorn...

Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2015 10:48 pm
by Mark E. Chachich
Thank you for saving part of our collective tuba heritage and history.

Mark

Re: A great discovery and some horn dorn...

Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2015 10:54 pm
by edsel585960
It looks like a great restoration. Hardly looks like the same horn. Glad you saved a piece of history. :D