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Miraphone 496 Hagen 5/4 BBb Tuba

Postby Ferguson » Tue Sep 22, 2015 3:39 pm

I haven't yet heard much chatter about the newest BBb tuba from Miraphone, the model 496 Hagen. (Say it like "hoggen".) This is a 5/4 size rotary 4-valve tuba and it is enormous. The Hagen 496 is 0.835" bore with a 17.7" bell, which is not extreme, but the body is huge. A 5-valve version may be available next year. I just received two and got to test them out. They play, I like. I believe these two are tuned for A443, but an A440 version is now listed. Those will have slightly longer ferrules on the main tuning slide.

Miraphone also offers a 6/4 size version of the Hagen, called the model 497. The 497 is nearly twice the money, but is closely related to Miraphone's other large BBb, the Siegfried. I haven't seen one of those yet.

Here's a 188 CC next to the 496 Hagen.

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Here's a 291 Bruckner CC next to the 496 Hagen.

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Re: Miraphone 496 Hagen 5/4 BBb Tuba

Postby bloke » Tue Sep 22, 2015 7:25 pm

Thanks for the pics and stats !

That's a handsome design, and not quite like anything else out there. 8)

Their model 98 Siegfried sure is crazy-good !

Miraphone seems to be running ahead of the curve on upscale BBb tubas...

My guess (??) is that they are reading the future market correctly, but only a guess. :D

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Re: Miraphone 496 Hagen 5/4 BBb Tuba

Postby Heavy_Metal » Tue Sep 22, 2015 9:45 pm

must......... look............away............................................
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Re: Miraphone 496 Hagen 5/4 BBb Tuba

Postby bort » Tue Sep 22, 2015 10:21 pm

Maybe just me... but I think the 188 looks better.
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Re: Miraphone 496 Hagen 5/4 BBb Tuba

Postby MartyNeilan » Tue Sep 22, 2015 10:38 pm

bort wrote:Maybe just me... but I think the 188 looks better.

Yeah, but nobody plays CC tubas anymore.
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Re: Miraphone 496 Hagen 5/4 BBb Tuba

Postby toobagrowl » Tue Sep 22, 2015 10:52 pm

The Hagen 5/4 BBb looks like Miraphone's version of the B&S GR-51/55 BBb to me, except with a larger valve bore :idea:
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Re: Miraphone 496 Hagen 5/4 BBb Tuba

Postby bort » Wed Sep 23, 2015 1:14 am

toobagrowl wrote:The Hagen 5/4 BBb looks like Miraphone's version of the B&S GR-51/55 BBb to me, except with a larger valve bore :idea:


I read this as: "this looks like a tuba that Germans will buy."
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Re: Miraphone 496 Hagen 5/4 BBb Tuba

Postby tubeast » Wed Sep 23, 2015 3:32 am

This sure is a beautiful horn, and I´m already looking forward to testing one.
As mentioned elsewhere on this forum: I like tall horns rather than chubby ones.

On a side note: If You want to pronounce "Hagen" the way the manufacturer does, think of the vowel "a" as pronounced in "sun", only 2-3 times as long.
Also think "g" as in "go", not as in "gentle".

I also am happy that there is a chance this German product most likely adheres to exhaust Standards.
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Re: Miraphone 496 Hagen 5/4 BBb Tuba

Postby Wu299 » Wed Sep 23, 2015 3:41 am

I played one of these at a Miraphone stand at an competition in Czech republic and it surprised me how easy to was to play this horn. It is pretty light-weighted and has a fairly fast response. I believe I played the 6/4 model, though I am not entirely sure. It was enourmous, though. Overall it felt like playing 3/4 tuba, except twice the size (and "slight" difference in how much air it swallows).
Take this with a grain of salt, though, I am just an inexperienced student :oops: .
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Re: Miraphone 496 Hagen 5/4 BBb Tuba

Postby Ken Crawford » Wed Sep 23, 2015 8:51 am

It's a Miraphone clone of the B&S...those Germans, always copying everyone else...
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Re: Miraphone 496 Hagen 5/4 BBb Tuba

Postby bisontuba » Wed Sep 23, 2015 9:31 am

kmorgancraw wrote:It's a Miraphone clone of the B&S...those Germans, always copying everyone else...



Similar but different... Beautiful tuba..
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Re: Miraphone 496 Hagen 5/4 BBb Tuba

Postby bloke » Wed Sep 23, 2015 11:54 am

yes...obviously...but considering the valveset (19mm vs. 21.2mm)

surely a completely different instrument
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Re: Miraphone 496 Hagen 5/4 BBb Tuba

Postby Bob Kolada » Wed Sep 23, 2015 12:01 pm

Who else wants to hear one crank out low E's followed by low G's?
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Re: Miraphone 496 Hagen 5/4 BBb Tuba

Postby bloke » Wed Sep 23, 2015 2:10 pm

I'd love to compare them. :D

bloke "more, I was referring to the sort of difference in the way a 22mm bore RM 5/4 and a 19mm bore piston tuba of approximately the same size play...the Miraphone thing seems to roughly be cross between a rotary Fafner (front end) and a 605 (back end)...maybe sort-of a BBb version (hopefully with a better scale) of the old-OLD M-W 2155R...Someone just buy me a Miraphone 98, and I'll quit posting in this thread." :lol:
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Re: Miraphone 496 Hagen 5/4 BBb Tuba

Postby oldpatterns » Wed Sep 23, 2015 3:19 pm

We went to the Miraphone factory this June. My son got to try a 4/4 size version of the Hagen. He really liked how it played. So if the 6/4 and the 5/4 version are too big for you, there is a smaller one coming out in another year :) We had a great tour from the person who designs there tubas. It was a schlep from Munich - but it was the highlight of my son's trip!

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Re: Miraphone 496 Hagen 5/4 BBb Tuba

Postby Beans&Tuba » Wed Sep 23, 2015 9:37 pm

The bugle looks simular to my 289
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Re: Miraphone 496 Hagen 5/4 BBb Tuba

Postby bloke » Wed Sep 23, 2015 11:56 pm

Regardless of resemblance to a Markneukirchen design, originality, or lack thereof, the appearance is appealing.
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Re: Miraphone 496 Hagen 5/4 BBb Tuba

Postby Steve Marcus » Thu Sep 24, 2015 12:55 am

bloke wrote:
Their model 98 Siegfried sure is crazy-good !

Miraphone seems to be running ahead of the curve on upscale BBb tubas...


It would be very interesting to compare the Siegfried 98 ( which IS a marvelous tuba) and the Hagen 497 side by side.
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Re: Miraphone 496 Hagen 5/4 BBb Tuba

Postby Ferguson » Wed Sep 30, 2015 6:42 pm

I know, pics or it didn't happen...

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Re: Miraphone 496 Hagen 5/4 BBb Tuba

Postby bisontuba » Wed Sep 30, 2015 6:51 pm

Beautiful horn....
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