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JinBao 410 CC in quintet?
Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2015 11:45 am
by eupho
Is there anyone playing a 410 CC(Mack, Schiller, M&M, Wessex)? do you have video?
Thanks
Re: JinBao 410 CC in quintet?
Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2015 12:44 pm
by Tubajug
Are you simply wondering if it would be appropriate? If that is the question, then I would say yes. While I don't own one, I used to own a Miraphone 186 CC (the horn the 410 is copied from) and it worked great in quintet. My old professor uses his 186 CC in the faculty quintet as well.
If that's not what you're looking for, sorry!
Re: JinBao 410 CC in quintet?
Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2015 2:16 pm
by Davidus1
Tubajug wrote:Are you simply wondering if it would be appropriate? If that is the question, then I would say yes. While I don't own one, I used to own a Miraphone 186 CC (the horn the 410 is copied from) and it worked great in quintet. My old professor uses his 186 CC in the faculty quintet as well.
If that's not what you're looking for, sorry!
+1
Re: JinBao 410 CC in quintet?
Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2015 2:49 pm
by MikeMason
I did for a couple years.no problem.
Re: JinBao 410 CC in quintet?
Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2015 10:52 pm
by eupho
I am more concerned about the size of the instrument as I am small build. Seeing some video would help.I am not questioning the tuba itself.
Re: JinBao 410 CC in quintet?
Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2015 11:17 pm
by MikeMason
Look on YouTube at the Mack brass promos.you can ask Tom how big he is for scale
Re: JinBao 410 CC in quintet?
Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2015 11:24 pm
by eupho
I have of course seen Tom's demos and we are similar in build but I would like to see the horn in context.
Re: JinBao 410 CC in quintet?
Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 10:14 pm
by MartyNeilan
eupho wrote:I am more concerned about the size of the instrument as I am small build. Seeing some video would help.I am not questioning the tuba itself.
Have the leadpipe moved; put the tuba on the chair instead of your lap; use a tuba stand; sit on a cushion/phone book...
There are many ways to make a larger or taller horn fit a less than tall person.
On an early 410 I owned some years ago, I actually found the leadpipe too low for me, that does not happen often at 5'7". I made a block of very dense foam wrapped with black gaffers tape and set the tuba on that to raise it up.
A blokepiece solo with a standard depth rim will be effective on that horn in a quintet.
Re: JinBao 410 CC in quintet?
Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 11:33 pm
by eupho
Marty:
Thanks for the suggestions and I have considered several of them should I buy a 410.
But, I reiterate: does anyone have any video of their quintet?
Thanks
Re: JinBao 410 CC in quintet?
Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2015 12:36 am
by eupher61
It's a freakin 186 clone, probably the single most sold German style tuba ever.
Just get the damned thing. Or don't.
So what if someone, or no one, used it in a quintet? No one used a little Yamaha before Chuck. No one used a 6/4 York before Jacobs.
Stop whining and do it. Or don't do or. Just stop whining.
Re: JinBao 410 CC in quintet?
Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2015 1:13 am
by bort
eupher61 wrote:It's a freakin 186 clone, probably the single most sold German style tuba ever.
Just get the damned thing. Or don't.
So what if someone, or no one, used it in a quintet? No one used a little Yamaha before Chuck. No one used a 6/4 York before Jacobs.
Stop whining and do it. Or don't do or. Just stop whining.
Hrmm... do you have a video of "stop whining"?
I'm an ***. Sorry.
Re: JinBao 410 CC in quintet?
Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2015 8:23 am
by eupho
I asked a simple question. Got no help with a video and that is OK. Several replies assume I am stupid. Is this really what Tubenet has become?
I have been playing euphonium and tuba professionally and conducting at the public school and college level for over 40 years.
Re: JinBao 410 CC in quintet?
Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2015 9:47 am
by bort
With all due respect, you ask the video question all the time, and I think people just 1) don't have videos and 2) are tired of being asked the same questions. I never meant to imply that you're stupid -- I don't know you and have no evidence of your stupidity or lack of stupidity (in which case I assume you're not stupid). But really, it seemed like your question was asked and answered, and then asked again. The only way to get the answer that will satisfy you is to buy, try, and then decide. You can ALWAYS sell one of these horns if it doesn't work out for you.
Re: JinBao 410 CC in quintet?
Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2015 9:21 am
by opus37
russiantuba wrote:eupho wrote:I asked a simple question. Got no help with a video and that is OK. Several replies assume I am stupid. Is this really what Tubenet has become?
I have been playing euphonium and tuba professionally and conducting at the public school and college level for over 40 years.
If your credentials are correct, then you should know that you will not sound like them, even on the same equipment.
A lot of the quintet work I have done, we have had audio recordings at best. The ambience of the room can also change the way the instrument sounds. The best way I have producing video is my iPhone, which doesn't have the best audio.
Are you looking for a horn to play in quintet? My suggestion is to get a horn you are comfortable playing and use it. I play a good amount of quintet stuff each year and am the tubist in the faculty quintet where I teach. I use my Gronitz F and my Miraphone CC. I could use any equipment and make it work, and have done so before in emergency situations.
No matter what tuba you use in there...I bet that you will sound like you
Thank you for this post. I agree with you.
Re: JinBao 410 CC in quintet?
Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2015 11:43 am
by swillafew
Buy a horn that fits you. I wouldn't want a horn bigger than I could hold comfortably for a few hours no matter how popular it might be.
Re: JinBao 410 CC in quintet?
Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2015 2:02 pm
by balchb
I'll pm you a recording of my quintet last December. It's a Wessex CC 186 clone. Great horn.
Re: JinBao 410 CC in quintet?
Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2015 5:04 pm
by eupho
Thanks so much for replying to my simple request even though it'snot video. A video is a small part of my process. I appreciate your not pontificating.
Re: JinBao 410 CC in quintet?
Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2015 5:10 pm
by balchb
eupho wrote:Thanks so much for replying to my simple request even though it'snot video. A video is a small part of my process. I appreciate your not pontificating.
I'll see if we can get a vid this year... Concerts are first weekend of Dec.
Re: JinBao 410 CC in quintet?
Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2015 5:13 pm
by eupho
Very much appreciated! This is how it is done.
Re: JinBao 410 CC in quintet?
Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2016 6:07 am
by sweaty
https://www.kennedy-center.org/video/index/M6626" target="_blank" target="_blank
Here's one. It starts at 36:06. Two 12th graders and three 9th graders are playing A Brass Menagerie by John Cheetham. It's a really fun, intense piece and the kids did a great job.
Since you're checking if it works for your height, this tuba player is about 5'2". He just recently became able to stop using a tuba stand for it.