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Do any CC sousaphones exist?
I might be interested in one but I don't remember ever seeing it referenced.

Doug,

Yes they do. York made them. Not sure if anyone else did. The great "Red Lehr" in St. Louis is still playing on one and he appeared on Gene Pokorny's CD. He plays a York Sousaphone in "C". David

PS - Love the new mouthpiece! Thanks.

Here's a link to one of the bands he plays with. The St. Louis Rivermen.

http://www.stlrivermen.com/members.asp" target="_blank

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C Sousaphone
M&M Tuba in Fl has been selling C Sousaphones
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tubamlb wrote:Yes


C Sousaphone
M&M Tuba in Fl has been selling C Sousaphones
tubamm.com

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I have one that is now my main gig instrument. It's a Conn 36K that Dan Schultz cut down for me.

Bill Troiano wrote:I have one that is now my main gig instrument. It's a Conn 36K that Dan Schultz cut down for me.

Nice! Can you comment on the tuning? Also, Dan, feel free to chime in on the process!

I used to have a H.N White King from 1919. It had a really good sound. viewtopic.php?f=2&t=44044&p=380847&hili ... ne#p380847" target="_blank

I have since made a similar instrument.

Bill Troiano wrote:I have one that is now my main gig instrument. It's a Conn 36K that Dan Schultz cut down for me.

Yes! I really like that instrument, which Dan has described with pictures on his website. If I were a CC player instead of a BBb player, I would have Dan make me one as well.

The pitch is a bit squirrelly here and there. I wouldn't play Bordogni on it, but it's fine for what I use it for. Being a 3 valver, it has the sharp combos using 3rd valve. The only bad notes are really Eb, D and Db below the staff. Weighing only 16 lbs., I can carry it all day with no problem. I'm actually having another one made, but I won't comment further until I have it on my shoulder. I really appreciate Dan making the 36K CC for me. I use it every week.

Beautiful horn!!

This would be news to Red, to anyone who had seen him play x anyone who has played his souzie, and the store where he bought them in the late 60s/early 70s.

In other words,

Davidus1 wrote:Doug,

Yes they do. York made them. Not sure if anyone else did. The great "Red Lehr" in St. Louis is still playing on one and he appeared on Gene Pokorny's CD. He plays a York Sousaphone in "C". David

PS - Love the new mouthpiece! Thanks.

Nope. Never Eb either, according to Red.

I had read that about him. If I am mistaken I stand corrected. What does he play then?

eupher61 wrote:This would be news to Red, to anyone who had seen him play x anyone who has played his souzie, and the store where he bought them in the late 60s/early 70s.

In other words,

Davidus1 wrote:Doug,

Yes they do. York made them. Not sure if anyone else did. The great "Red Lehr" in St. Louis is still playing on one and he appeared on Gene Pokorny's CD. He plays a York Sousaphone in "C". David

PS - Love the new mouthpiece! Thanks.

Probably doesn't matter that much as you mention but I am always interested in what others play. I don't play much Dixieland type music and listening to players like Red is really something. What a tremendous talent! Makes me want to leave the horn in the case! ( :

bloke wrote:Again, who cares?
I saw a person that looked like the pictures I've seen of Red Lehr playing a sousaphone with short slides, a small bell throat, and a false upper branch.
None of the pictures of him on the internet, though, show him playing anything other than BBb sousaphones, and (again) that old l.p. record of him engaging in a uber-blast-fest with a bunch of banjos involved (pictured) a BBb (fiberglass Martin) sousaphone.

Bloke, just curious about your CC helicon/sousaphone creation: what bell did you use to replace the sousaphone bell?That is a gorgeous instrument you made yourself there sir!

I think Red's souzies are Yorks. He bought a matching pair "off the rack" in North St Louis county, just happened to see them there.
Very much BBb. Even at his youngest, skinniest ages, he would hardly have fit in most Eb souzies.

Red is a crowd pleaser. He was doing things on souzie that no one else in the trad world was doing. For that matter, no one on any tuba. It was great having Red and Singleton Palmer both in the same town, but Singleton had a much more laid back style, certainly even more fluid than Red. But Red has always been more of a front line player, and once he got away from the banjo bands he punched it up a few notches.
But, why they decided to do "South Rampart St Parade" in C baffles me. And that was with his 5 piece band, trombone lead. sheesh. That haunts me every time I play with those guys (aside from Red, obviously).

Davidus1 wrote:Doug,

Yes they do. York made them. Not sure if anyone else did. The great "Red Lehr" in St. Louis is still playing on one and he appeared on Gene Pokorny's CD. He plays a York Sousaphone in "C". David

PS - Love the new mouthpiece! Thanks.

Hi David, Red plays a b flat York....He played a E flat sousaphone in New Orleans one time,that was one time too many....lol

From a math point of view I tend to doubt that bloke’s CC helicon concept could be made into a CC sousaphone.

Most of the cut-down from BBb happened by the removal of the extended cylindrical leadpipe.

But as far as I can see, the straight bell also represents a shorter acoustic length than the 2 conical knees and a bell flare needed for a bell forward sousaphone version.

Maybe a CC raincatcher would be possible, but the knee and the very wide diameter collars likely would have to be custom made.

Klaus

The player I wanted it for found a converted Conn at Baltimore Brass. I don't know which model it is, but it seems to play OK so far.