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Eastman EBC 632 - Yet Another Review

Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2016 1:28 pm
by Cameron Gates
First off, a list of things I hate:

1. Soccer
2. Tuba reviews on Tubenet (usually written on the day the horn arrives)
3. Chinese horns

With that known, here is a fairly well researched opinion of the Eastman EBC 632 CC tuba:

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I took possession of this instrument second hand about 3 months ago. It was owned by a fellow Tubeneter who is, to say the least, active in the buying and selling market here. Although he is a really great guy and a pleasure to work with, I must question his sanity for selling this instrument to me. The instrument is in mint condition. He crazy.

THE GREAT:

1. PITCH. I am not a big "I don't like to pull slides" guy. With every instrument I have owned I have found a way to make them sort of work. This horn is dead on with my tuner with nothing extra from me. Scary good. Now I have to unlearn old adjustment habits. This process is ongoing.

2. QUALITY and WEIGHT of SOUND. I love big, easy to blow 6/4 tubas. They glow and support so well. In a brass choir setting I found that this instrument has a supporting ability very much like a big Nirschl and a large Rudy I used to play. Is it as supporting (organ pipe-like) as a big Rudy? No. At least not in my hands. It is though surprisingly close. The supporting watts this thing has is the most surprising feature of this instrument.

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THE GOOD:

1. SOUND QUALITY. There is nothing about the quality of the sound that jumps out to me. It sounds like a tuba. Not spicy like an old 186 or bland like a production Yamaha. Meat and potatoes here. I guess a MP change might make it different but I am too old and lazy to goof with that. I have had the same MP since the disco era and it fits in the horn. Works for me.

2. BUILD QUALITY. Solid. Valves to die for. Nothing loose. Slides all move well. Nice color buff before the lacquer. Cool looking bell engraving. Fairly hip detachable bracing gadgets. The reason I put the build in the "good" category is the lack of beauty details. Although the bell engraving is nice, there is nothing on the instrument that is in the least fancy. I miss the rotor cap engraving, the beautiful ONE PIECE braces, the perfect and deeply engraved ferrules, and the nickel silver bow caps/guards of European makers. This is all nit picky stuff and probably will not end up making me think less of the instrument in the future. I will have to learn to admire other instruments in long and boring rehearsals rather than my own. Kinda sucks.

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THE AWFUL AWFUL AWFUL:

1. STRAP/HARNESS RINGS. Let's face it: Matt Walters is owed a lot by everyone who plays the tuba. The current interest in building and modification of instruments by all who visit here has been brought about by Matt and people like Matt. What he has done with this instrument AT THIS PRICE is great to say the least. However, Matt needs (IMO) to rethink the need for strap rings, as well as their placement. Why why why do they still exist as standard equipment when 80% of tubas produced for the US market will never be used that way. This would not be such a big deal except for the fact that the bottom ring on my horn hits me square in my ever-expanding gut. It is sorta sharp. This annoyance will soon be rectified in my garage with a torch.

TO SUM UP:

I have fallen for a Chinese horn. I will sell it for $12,000 to buy a used HB2 for sale in Japan that I have wanted for some time. That $12,000 is firm. That is how much I like this instrument.

Bravo Matt.

Re: Eastman EBC 632 - Yet Another Review

Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2016 2:03 pm
by bisontuba
Cameron-
You have a GREAT tuba...glad you like!
Mark

Enjoying my c. 1961 186 too...

Re: Eastman EBC 632 - Yet Another Review

Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2016 8:53 pm
by Andy Rummel
Cameron,

I agree with everything that you mention above, especially the bit about the harness rings. My resonating chamber is likely a bit more expanded than yours as I have been out of the military a bit longer than you I believe. However, I agree that they are oddly placed and I too will be removing the rings in the future.

Other than that, this tuba is a fantastic addition to our arsenal. The intonation, as Cameron mentioned, is about as perfect as I have ever encountered. The horn works very, very well in every type of playing situation and I find it very difficult to set it down once I start playing it.

To each his own, but I cannot think of a better, less than 10K (or 6k!!!) 4/4 CC tuba on the market today. I love my Eastman and am looking forward to the expansion of their tuba offerings.

Andy Rummel

Re: Eastman EBC 632 - Yet Another Review

Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2016 9:35 pm
by Cameron Gates
I actually just intended the strap ring comment as a way to say that I had VERY little to gripe about on this horn. When the only thing I have to bitch about can be taken care of in less than 30 seconds..........

The rings are far from an issue. I think Matt would get the sarcasm. Especially when the rings are most likely an Eastman thing, not a Matt thing.

It's good to hear you like yours Andy. I like your comment about not wanting to put it down. Dead on.

One thing I forgot to mention is how comfy this horn is to hold. Very nice balance. If there was ever a need to yank a slide it would be easy. Stupid nice horn.
Andy Rummel wrote:Cameron,

I agree with everything that you mention above, especially the bit about the harness rings. My resonating chamber is likely a bit more expanded than yours as I have been out of the military a bit longer than you I believe. However, I agree that they are oddly placed and I too will be removing the rings in the future.

Other than that, this tuba is a fantastic addition to our arsenal. The intonation, as Cameron mentioned, is about as perfect as I have ever encountered. The horn works very, very well in every type of playing situation and I find it very difficult to set it down once I start playing it.

To each his own, but I cannot think of a better, less than 10K (or 6k!!!) 4/4 CC tuba on the market today. I love my Eastman and am looking forward to the expansion of their tuba offerings.

Andy Rummel

Re: Eastman EBC 632 - Yet Another Review

Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2016 5:42 pm
by Bill Troiano
Does anybody have the precise weight of the Eastman CC tuba? I'm getting old and I recently collapsed in Kohl's from a sudden back spasm that struck me out of the blue. I'm still dealing with this issue. Tonight, I have a rehearsal (first time out since the back spasm) where I regularly would use my 1292. It weighs over 22 lbs. and I'm in no condition to carry and transport it there. However, a great guy here in Austin, whom many of us know, loaned me an old 186, 4V and I think I'll bring it tonight. There's a 10 lb. difference in weight between these 2 horns. I loved the Eastman when I played it at TMEA last year. I think that now, I won't love any tuba over 20 lbs. So, if anyone could let me know the exact weight of the EBC 632, I'd greatly appreciate it. If anyone has a MW 3450, I'd appreciate knowing the weight of that tuba also. I used to own one and they are fine tubas as well. Sorry I sold it. Thanks!

Re: Eastman EBC 632 - Yet Another Review

Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2017 6:12 pm
by Ltrain
Love my new Eastman! Coming back to playing after 10 years off the horn, so I have no weighty opinions other than I love it! I really just hopped on this thread for validation that this horn is as great as I think it is. Just a quick note/update: my new EBC632 does not have harness rings, so either OP has an early model/prototype, Eastman listened to your feedback, or it's an MTO option (unlikely?).

My $0.02. I'll report back for more once I get my chops and lungs back!

Re: Eastman EBC 632 - Yet Another Review

Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2017 7:19 pm
by jpwell
If you want to hear one in action go to Roland Szentpali - Visions performed by Dr Andy Rummel on the tube. Its freaked awesome. Its what to sounds like in the hands of a skilled performer and great friend too.