Adding a 5th valve to a King 2280
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Re: Need an odd size rotary valve
Where is the .625 measurement?
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Re: Need an odd size rotary valve
I have an ancient 3 valve F tuba that my records state is 16.5mm (.640). It is sort of a toss-up between restorable and scrap, you might be able to scab tubing and crooks from it as well.
If you might be interested in using that I will double check my measurements.
If you might be interested in using that I will double check my measurements.
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Re: Need an odd size rotary valve
Something like this?
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Re: Need an odd size rotary valve
Kanstul contrabass trombones (used to?) have that as one of their valve sizes.
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Re: Need an odd size rotary valve
Hello Mark,
I can source you a rotary valve in any of the sizes you mention. For any of the valve makers in eastern Germany this is no problem. In metric it would be, 15.75mm/16.65mm/19mm/19.80mm.
Having installed a lot of 5th valves on various customers' baritones, generally speaking, the main difference will be sound quality. On the small side of the tuning slide, it will be brighter with more focus. On the larger side, it will feel more open and the sound will be finer.
As much as I love Cerveny tubas (personally own a few;) the valves can be somewhat troublesome...
I can source you a rotary valve in any of the sizes you mention. For any of the valve makers in eastern Germany this is no problem. In metric it would be, 15.75mm/16.65mm/19mm/19.80mm.
Having installed a lot of 5th valves on various customers' baritones, generally speaking, the main difference will be sound quality. On the small side of the tuning slide, it will be brighter with more focus. On the larger side, it will feel more open and the sound will be finer.
As much as I love Cerveny tubas (personally own a few;) the valves can be somewhat troublesome...
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Re: Need an odd size rotary valve
You could scrap out a slant-rotor Marzan.58mark wrote:... Joe? Matt? Dan? thoughts?
Edit: a little research shows that a 750 valve is NOT easy to locate. Not sure they even exist
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Re: Need an odd size rotary valve
Great to see Jake offering to help source a valve, it's a much better idea to get a new valve from Europe - there are so many choices in size, and they're not that expensive.
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Re: Need an odd size rotary valve
Yeah, I'm joking. I've never heard of anyone offering replacement rotors for those things. However... SOMEONE had to make 'em once upon a time. That was a very common bore for B & M built tubas. Email Meinlschmidt.58mark wrote:can't tell if you're joking or not. Do spare parts for those even exist?Dan Schultz wrote:You could scrap out a slant-rotor Marzan.58mark wrote:... Joe? Matt? Dan? thoughts?
Edit: a little research shows that a 750 valve is NOT easy to locate. Not sure they even exist
As a side-note... I don't know what the current bores are for the St. Pete tubas but the guys at The Tuba Exchange were very helpful a while back and sold me FIVE St. Pete rotors.
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Re: Adding a 5th valve to a King 2280
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Re: Adding a 5th valve to a King 2280
Great looking project Mark! I love seeing these "works in progress" posts. Thanks for sharing your process.
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Re: Adding a 5th valve to a King 2280
I've been considering purchasing some equipment for myself. What do you have?58mark wrote:Thanks! I finally have good soldering equipment around here, so I'm going to practice for a while, and if I feel confident in my skills, I'm going to do the assembly myself
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Re: Adding a 5th valve to a King 2280
Very impressive, sir.
Will you be putting a brace between the two parallel legs?
Will you be putting a brace between the two parallel legs?
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Re: Adding a 5th valve to a King 2280
Awesome!! Looks great, Mark!
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Re: Adding a 5th valve to a King 2280
Showing my ignorance ,but I have to ask since I don't know. What would be the purpose of the 5th valve?
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Re: Adding a 5th valve to a King 2280
Will it be left or right hand operated?
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Martin Medium Eb Helicon
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Re: Adding a 5th valve to a King 2280
Very cool. So there's no paddle? Just a direct movement on the valve? Very neat.
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Martin Medium Eb Helicon
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Re: Adding a 5th valve to a King 2280
How about a zoom-out full horn picture?
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Re: Adding a 5th valve to a King 2280
I didn't even notice the bent brace to accommodate that. Nicely done! What does the hair tie attach to? A little post of some kind?
And I second the motion for a shot of the whole horn.
And I second the motion for a shot of the whole horn.
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King 2341 with a Holton "Monster" Eb bell
Eb Frankentuba
Martin Medium Eb Helicon
If at first you don't succeed, skydiving's probably not for you.
King 2341 with a Holton "Monster" Eb bell
Eb Frankentuba
Martin Medium Eb Helicon
If at first you don't succeed, skydiving's probably not for you.