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The Horn that Got Away: biggest trade/sale regret?
Posted: Fri May 20, 2016 4:16 pm
by arpthark
Feel free to share stories or reminisce about the tuba you shouldn't have gotten rid of, OR bemoan the tuba you shouldn't have bought. Or gloat about the horn you've kept forever because it's great (bloke's Symphonie?).
I had a fantastic PT-6 that belonged to Jon Voth. He bought it new in 1996 or so and it was in pristine condition. I believe he won his gig on it. I wasn't practicing enough and stupidly blamed the tuba and sold it.
Conversely, I have the opportunity to purchase a really fine (four valves, decent intonation) Alex 163 CC right now and am afraid I'll be kicking myself for not buying it.
What about you?
Re: The Horn that Got Away: biggest trade/sale regret?
Posted: Fri May 20, 2016 4:38 pm
by HuffPuffTuba
I bought a Miraphone 191 Bb tuba on consignment at the Tuba Exchange. It was sold by a guy who had successfully auditioned on it into one of the military bands (I believe the Marine Band).
I've never regretted that choice and have always had a wonderful time playing it.
Re: The Horn that Got Away: biggest trade/sale regret?
Posted: Fri May 20, 2016 6:37 pm
by TubaSailor
I went up to Steve Ferguson's place (Horn Guys) several years ago, and he was kind enough to let me play everything in the shop. The horn that really stood out, (intonation and sound quality) was Steve's personal HB2P. Unfortunately it was about $1500 more than I wanted to spend, and I didn't feel comfortable haggling after he'd let me play $100,000+ worth of his stock. The closest I've been able to come to the sound and quality of that HB2 since then is the Rudy 4345(R) that I now have. No regrets on the Rudy, but the HB2 would have put me on track a couple of years earlier.

Re: The Horn that Got Away: biggest trade/sale regret?
Posted: Fri May 20, 2016 6:41 pm
by Michael Bush
I bought this tuba from Tabor of this board and sold it to a friend of a TubeNetter. Which is to say it disappeared into the ether. In spite of its huge size and its being a BBb, I would buy it back in a heartbeat. At that time I was trying to own one tuba at a time.
Conn.JPG
EDIT: Funny thing, my wife purely hated that tuba, because we had gas in the house, and it threw off a ton of tarnish onto my clothes and really whatever it touched. Our current house is all electric.

Re: The Horn that Got Away: biggest trade/sale regret?
Posted: Fri May 20, 2016 6:46 pm
by roweenie
My old standby and friend, a magnificent York 712 in BB flat.
I bought it while in college (almost 35 years ago!), answering an ad in the International Musician newspaper (I was surprised to be the first to reply). For many years afterward, I used to get routine calls from a guy (now deceased) who just had to have it.....
As to horns that "got away", I don't recall any....
Re: The Horn that Got Away: biggest trade/sale regret?
Posted: Fri May 20, 2016 6:48 pm
by roweenie
Michael Bush wrote:I bought this tuba from Tabor of this board and sold it to a friend of a TubeNetter. Which is to say it disappeared into the ether. In spite of its huge size and its being a BBb, I would buy it back in a heartbeat. At that time I was trying to own one tuba at a time.
Conn.JPG
Is that the one with the freakishly large (.800+) bore?
Re: The Horn that Got Away: biggest trade/sale regret?
Posted: Fri May 20, 2016 6:49 pm
by Michael Bush
roweenie wrote:Michael Bush wrote:I bought this tuba from Tabor of this board and sold it to a friend of a TubeNetter. Which is to say it disappeared into the ether. In spite of its huge size and its being a BBb, I would buy it back in a heartbeat. At that time I was trying to own one tuba at a time.
Conn.JPG
Is that the one with the freakishly large (.800+) bore?
No. .750, more or less. Huge bell, though. If I remember correctly it was at least 22".
Re: The Horn that Got Away: biggest trade/sale regret?
Posted: Fri May 20, 2016 6:51 pm
by roweenie
Ah. I recall the usual size bore was .773, but it looked a lot like one I once knew of that had a bore over .800....
Re: The Horn that Got Away: biggest trade/sale regret?
Posted: Fri May 20, 2016 6:53 pm
by Michael Bush
roweenie wrote:Ah. I recall the usual size bore was .773,
That's probably the number.
Re: The Horn that Got Away: biggest trade/sale regret?
Posted: Fri May 20, 2016 9:35 pm
by roweenie
KiltieTuba wrote:
There was one for sale quite a long time ago with an ~.830" bore located in England.
It's quite likely it's the same horn, as, if I remember correctly, the one I was referring to made its way across the big pond......
Re: The Horn that Got Away: biggest trade/sale regret?
Posted: Fri May 20, 2016 11:16 pm
by Dan Schultz
Two weeks ago I sold two Marzan 'slant-rotor' tubas. One of them is the one I swore I would keep forever. Oh well... there are still some more out there somewhere!
Re: The Horn that Got Away: biggest trade/sale regret?
Posted: Fri May 20, 2016 11:48 pm
by harrell
I had a Rudolph Meinl 6-valve F tuba and Kalison 4/4 CC in college. When I got out and started teaching, I didn't do a lot of playing at the time and the CC fit what playing I did. Quite honestly, I felt more comfortable on the CC because I wasn't sure how to deal with the intonation on the F. I went to the Midwest clinic about 2004 and played a bunch of horns. I found the PT-20P and it was a case of the horn picking me, not me picking the horn. I knew this was going to be my new tuba. It fit me way better than the Kalison. So I sold the Rudy and the Kalison and got the PT-20P. I love the horn and it is my only horn to this day. It serves all my needs well. BUT man do I miss having that Rudy F. I didn't appreciate what I had when I had it and, hindsight being what it is, I could have gotten way more out of that horn than I did. Intonation was squirrelly on it but it sounded great. I hope to be able to purchase another F in the not so distant future to use in church settings and small groups.
Re: The Horn that Got Away: biggest trade/sale regret?
Posted: Sat May 21, 2016 12:15 am
by GC
I wish I'd kept the MW 25 I bought in college. It was at times a frustrating horn, but it's better than any horn I've had since.
Then again, I was considering a Holton 345 about the time I bought the 25. If I only knew then what I know now . . .
Re: The Horn that Got Away: biggest trade/sale regret?
Posted: Sat May 21, 2016 12:28 am
by bort
No regrets, but it would be fun to spend an afternoon with some of my old tubas. I bet I would initially regret selling them, and then soon remember why I sold them in the first place.
Re: The Horn that Got Away: biggest trade/sale regret?
Posted: Sat May 21, 2016 3:36 am
by Peach
KiltieTuba wrote:Michael Bush wrote:
There was one for sale quite a long time ago with an ~.830" bore located in England.
Yep. I bought that Conn. I played it for a while but sold it to a chap in Oxford. It was quite tricky to steer. Could/should have persevered with it as certain aspects were great.
Re: The Horn that Got Away: biggest trade/sale regret?
Posted: Sat May 21, 2016 7:16 am
by Tabor
The Conn with the .8+ bore is a different O.G.
No regrets on any trades/sales because they led to my current tubas.
The closest to a regret might be a 1905 York 33 that was a really nice player, but not nicer than my York/King.

Re: The Horn that Got Away: biggest trade/sale regret?
Posted: Sat May 21, 2016 8:11 am
by Michael Bush
TubaSailor wrote:I went up to Steve Ferguson's place (Horn Guys) several years ago, and he was kind enough to let me play everything in the shop. The horn that really stood out, (intonation and sound quality) was Steve's personal HB2P. Unfortunately it was about $1500 more than I wanted to spend, and I didn't feel comfortable haggling after he'd let me play $100,000+ worth of his stock. The closest I've been able to come to the sound and quality of that HB2 since then is the Rudy 4345(R) that I now have. No regrets on the Rudy, but the HB2 would have put me on track a couple of years earlier.

I wonder if
this is that tuba. Sounds like it.
Re: The Horn that Got Away: biggest trade/sale regret?
Posted: Sat May 21, 2016 4:34 pm
by gregsundt
4/4 Rudy, ca. late 70s.
B&S Symphonie F.
1965 Epiphone Century, cherry-stained maple, built in Kalamazoo.
1963 Fender Bandmaster piggyback, tan w/brown face.
1984 Music Man Stingray bass.
I can't go on....
Re: The Horn that Got Away: biggest trade/sale regret?
Posted: Sat May 21, 2016 7:18 pm
by Donn
Well, tactically, I sure should have hung on to the beat up Olds O99 and Reynolds sousaphone I had back in the '80s. Not that I haven't had anything their equal since - on the contrary, the 40K I came out of that with is truly the best - but at the time, as a practical matter, that was dumb.
Re: The Horn that Got Away: biggest trade/sale regret?
Posted: Sat May 21, 2016 10:58 pm
by KyleRichter
Michael Bush wrote:TubaSailor wrote:I went up to Steve Ferguson's place (Horn Guys) several years ago, and he was kind enough to let me play everything in the shop. The horn that really stood out, (intonation and sound quality) was Steve's personal HB2P. Unfortunately it was about $1500 more than I wanted to spend, and I didn't feel comfortable haggling after he'd let me play $100,000+ worth of his stock. The closest I've been able to come to the sound and quality of that HB2 since then is the Rudy 4345(R) that I now have. No regrets on the Rudy, but the HB2 would have put me on track a couple of years earlier.

I wonder if
this is that tuba. Sounds like it.
It is that tuba. I was going to comment about trying out that same tuba sometime last year when Steve had it on display. Playing it for ten minutes had me completely convinced that I needed to own that tuba, but Steve walked out and told me Blake had already claimed it. It's an awesome tuba, and I would likely be trying to buy it if I hadn't just bought an HB-2P of my own last month.