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Bydlo on Eb

Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2016 7:06 pm
by zangerzzz
Any representative recordings of Bydlo out there done on Eb? I've got it in a month and would like to hear some if available.

Re: Bydlo on Eb

Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2016 10:53 pm
by Art Hovey
I heard a GOOD Russian orchestra do it a few years ago in New Haven. The tubist did most of the concert on a King (rented?) but picked up an ordinary little 3-piston Eb for the Bydlo and sounded great. Nothing fancier is needed.

Re: Bydlo on Eb

Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2016 11:38 pm
by roweenie
Give it to the bass trombone player and let him worry about it..... :wink:

Re: Bydlo on Eb

Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2016 2:59 am
by barry grrr-ero
Agreed. I think it sounds better played on a Euphonium, which is closer to the French 'Petite Tuba in C' (Couesnon). But a small Eb should do the job.

Re: Bydlo on Eb

Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2016 8:20 am
by bisontuba
Hi-
Years back on this old LP, I believe Don played Bydlo on a Yamaha 321 Eb...FYI...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/BUFFALO-PHILHAR ... SwBLlU3HMh" target="_blank

Re: Bydlo on Eb

Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2016 8:39 am
by arpthark
bloke wrote:If someone owns one of those 1950's A=440 Besson/B&H (Edgware St./London) 15" bell 3+1 Eb tubas in good condition, that would probably be an amazing tuba for that solo.
+1

The only issue with Bydlo on my Besson is nursing up the pitch of the D# above the staff (and E, to a lesser extent). I've heard that's pretty typical of this model.

Re: Bydlo on Eb

Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2016 9:11 am
by roweenie
roweenie wrote:Give it to the bass trombone player and let him worry about it..... :wink:
Sorry for my tongue-in-cheek answer....

Actually, I've played this piece twice, on an old Besson Imperial 4 valve compensating euphonium, with a bass trombone mouthpiece, and it worked extremely well.

I suppose you could play it on an E flat tuba, but unless it's a really small one, you run the risk of giving it the wrong tone color.

As a side note, both times I played it, I got arguments from the (different) bass trombone players, claiming that it belonged to them (hence my first comment). This was easily settled when I pointed out the name of the instrument printed at the top of the page....

Re: Bydlo on Eb

Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2016 9:38 am
by Rick F
If you have access to a Miraphone 5050 euphonium, that would sound really good IMHO. The bore of the M5050 is .610 so really can sound like a tenor tuba. You don't need a high 'B' natural for that solo, but it's the easiest euphonium to get that note.

Re: Bydlo on Eb

Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2016 12:38 pm
by zangerzzz
Is the Reiner recording with Chicago with Jacobs on F ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spU8HnYOMWg" target="_blank

Re: Bydlo on Eb

Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2016 9:08 pm
by Billy M.
bloke wrote:slightly off topic, but not much:

If someone owns one of those 1950's A=440 Besson/B&H (Edgware St./London) 15" bell 3+1 Eb tubas in good condition, that would probably be an amazing tuba for that solo.

If Robert Coulter has run through that solo using his tuba, perhaps he will chime in.
I own a 1960s version, but mine falls into the category and it sounds MARVELOUS on that horn.