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Does a horn with only a .750" bore quality as a BAT? I'd like to see something to rival at least the 1291 Miraphones.

Don't know if anyone has made the connection but Chuck Nichols is bububassboner on here..

Screen name "bububassboner" is a human named Chuck Nichols.

our new 6/4 'Grand' BBb tuba developed in collaboration with Chuck Nickles of the US Army Band, Europe.

Oh whoops, that was Chuck Nickles, not Chuck Nichols. :P

bort wrote:

our new 6/4 'Grand' BBb tuba developed in collaboration with Chuck Nickles of the US Army Band, Europe.

Oh whoops, that was Chuck Nickles, not Chuck Nichols.

Don't worry, everyone spells my name wrong.

Yup... my mom's side of the family is also "Nichols," and you're right that nobody can spell it. :roll:

bububassboner wrote:

bort wrote:

our new 6/4 'Grand' BBb tuba developed in collaboration with Chuck Nickles of the US Army Band, Europe.

Oh whoops, that was Chuck Nickles, not Chuck Nichols. :P

Don't worry, everyone spells my name wrong.

Oooopppps. Red face.

Dan Schultz wrote:Does a horn with only a .750" bore quality as a BAT? I'd like to see something to rival at least the 1291 Miraphones.

Haha, you can't fool us .750" is a 4/4 bore. So NOT a 6/4 tuba. Dan calls 'em out!

TheGoyWonder wrote:

Dan Schultz wrote:Does a horn with only a .750" bore quality as a BAT? I'd like to see something to rival at least the 1291 Miraphones.

Haha, you can't fool us .750" is a 4/4 bore. So NOT a 6/4 tuba. Dan calls 'em out!

I own a 1291 CC, with its .772 bore, does that make it a 5/4 or 6/4? :-P

Billy M. wrote:

TheGoyWonder wrote:

Dan Schultz wrote:Does a horn with only a .750" bore quality as a BAT? I'd like to see something to rival at least the 1291 Miraphones.

Haha, you can't fool us .750" is a 4/4 bore. So NOT a 6/4 tuba. Dan calls 'em out!

I own a 1291 CC, with its .772 bore, does that make it a 5/4 or 6/4? :-P

I don't know, but that logic makes my PCK a 4/4. :/

And this is another vote for losing the gold trim. Horn looks good and I'll have to add it to the list of one's I want to get some time on.

Billy M. wrote:

TheGoyWonder wrote:

Dan Schultz wrote:Does a horn with only a .750" bore quality as a BAT? I'd like to see something to rival at least the 1291 Miraphones.

Haha, you can't fool us .750" is a 4/4 bore. So NOT a 6/4 tuba. Dan calls 'em out!

I own a 1291 CC, with its .772 bore, does that make it a 5/4 or 6/4?

Uh.... the bore of a Miraphone 1291 is .835".

1291 Bb's are .835, 1291 C's are smaller.

Dan Schultz wrote:Uh.... the bore of a Miraphone 1291 is .835".

Holy cow! That sounds like a BAT to me...

Seems both references to the bore size of a 1291 CC are correct.

I own a 1291 CC, with its .772 bore, does that make it a 5/4 or 6/4? :-P

Uh.... the bore of a Miraphone 1291 is .835".

Just to be clear about 1291 CC
Bore: conical 19,6 - 21,2 mm (0,772 - 0,835 inch) and it's listed as 5/4

Pete "just tryin' to help"

Probably not.

LEADPIPE is way more important than bore.
Bore gets its significance from being a datapoint: endpoint of the leadpipe.

Miraphone calls them a 5/4 and the Sigfried a 6/4.

In my book, a BAT has more to do with the size of the bell and bottom bow and attending branches. A nominally .750 bore (at the valves) has been pretty much been standard. Take into account that an American BAT has nominally a 14/15 inch lead pipe which puts the valve section pretty early in the taper. Granted larger .800 bores work well on smaller horns like the St. Pete, (with a much longer leadpipe) but then it is a balance between the overall taper and volume of the "entire" instrument. There is really no one "formula" for a BAT or 6/4. Also take into account the various european 6/4s that work on a somewhat different principle of taper. Funny, in europe these are referred to as Kaiser tubas, but in the USA, we "affectionately call them BATs. They are not the same animal as there are so many variables in the equation. The protype Wessex "Grand" is basically a reincarnation of the Holton 345 which so many of Tubeneters have drooled over in the past and wished for from Santa. The judgement will come from how the horn actually plays.

If bore makes a BAT, a Piggy is a huge tuba.

Michael Bush wrote:If bore makes a BAT, a Piggy is a huge tuba.

It's bigger on the inside!