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Sarrusophone in 1930s high school band

Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2016 2:11 pm
by Thom
I found this photo when I cleaned out my parents' house in PA. They graduated from high school in 1937, but I believe the photo might be from a year or two before. A response from Bloke corrected my mistake. What I took for an ophicleide in the photo was a sarrusophone.

Re: Ophicleide in 1930s high school band

Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2016 2:35 pm
by Thom
Thank you for the reply and the education. It definitely makes more sense now.
I will edit the original title.

Re: Ophicleide in 1930s high school band

Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2016 2:49 pm
by Three Valves
I wonder if the Mummers ever permitted them??

Not reed or string, so I doubt it.

Re: Sarrusophone in 1930s high school band

Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2016 3:05 pm
by Donn
Reed indeed. The reed is like a contrabassoon's, maybe bigger. I had a chance to toot one a few years ago, which poured some cold water on a long standing enthusiasm for the instrument. Probably just like this one, a Conn Eb contrabass. I wasn't getting a very powerful tone, and honestly in the real contrabass range I don't think woodwinds generally hold up very well acoustically, to the point where it can be hard to make out what the fundamental is supposed to be.

Re: Sarrusophone in 1930s high school band

Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2016 3:25 pm
by Three Valves
Cool.

So there may be one in the Mummers Museum!!

Re: Sarrusophone in 1930s high school band

Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2016 3:29 pm
by tubapix
Here is another picture of the band on Etsy

https://www.etsy.com/sg-en/listing/2417 ... dren-music" target="_blank"

Re: Sarrusophone in 1930s high school band

Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2016 9:03 am
by Z-Tuba Dude
So, a sarrusophone is basically a saxophone with a double reed?

Re: Sarrusophone in 1930s high school band

Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2016 9:18 am
by iiipopes
I'm thinking more like a BBb contra clarinet with a double reed. My high school had a nickel bodied BBb contra clarinet, as opposed to a wood bodied (or composite) Eb contra clarinet, which my high school band also had one of, and a bassoon and a bari sax.

I have a friend with a BBb bass sax, and the bore is larger, like a bari stepped up in size as you would expect.

Re: Sarrusophone in 1930s high school band

Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2016 10:39 am
by Donn
The bore is sure smaller than a saxophone of the corresponding size. An Eb contrabass sax is quite a whopper, usually bigger than the player. But acoustically, that's a detail. I guess in the taxonomic scheme of things, sarrusophone is closest to being a sort of oboe, and the oboe and saxophone families are more closely related to each other than to the clarinets. (Clarinets have very different acoustics, that allow that Bb paper clip thing to reach a 16 foot C that the Eb sarrusophone may or may not have - low A extension? I doubt it.)

The relation to the contrabassoon is also pretty obvious, and counting size/range I think it's fair to say that's the nearest relative, it's just that for some reason it's hard to be sure that the bassoon family shares the same relatively straightforward bore shape as the oboe and sarrusophone. That has been one of the hopes of sarrusophone manufacturers, I think, that they'd be an easier and more economical replacement for contrabassoon, but ... alas. Initially they were promoted as a general new and improved double reed, in a saxophone like range of sizes (Sax sued, but I believe lost.) There's a possibly apocryphal story out there of an orchestra leader who handed them out for that purpose, only to be assaulted by musicians beating him with his sarrusophones. The guy who had the sarrusophone I tried, also had an alto Rothphone, same concept but cuter, and he could make it sound pretty sweet.

Re: Sarrusophone in 1930s high school band

Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2016 1:08 pm
by Donn
Yes, the 2nd register thus coming out an octave higher; as Z-Tuba Dude observed, saxophone with a double reed. And as Sax observed, though the judge was not buying it.

Re: Sarrusophone in 1930s high school band

Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2016 3:02 pm
by Thom
Bloke,
Not a Windows guy, but did my best on my old Mac. Dad was on trombone; Mom on cymbals. The previous photo from Etsy was apparently the junior high band.

Re: Sarrusophone in 1930s high school band

Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2016 3:45 pm
by aqualung
Hold your palm lightly over your embouchure and gently buzz low pitches. It is a pretty good emulation of a contrabass sarrusophone.

Re: Sarrusophone in 1930s high school band

Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2016 8:09 pm
by Thom
Looking at the entire photo, it looks like the men were outnumbered.