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I have heard mixed things about them. Any experience?
There is one on ebay right now for $3000 brand new (4+1 CC)
Thanks for the feedback
Miraphone 186 CC 5v
Buescher 4/4 Eb
Amati Kaiser Baritone
Jupiter makes really good trumpets, but I don't think their tuba game is that strong. Personally, I've never had a good experience with Jupiter horns. I've only played the 4/4 front action BBb though and the sousaphone. Both were hard to play in tune and really thin metal. Easy to get splatty on. Just my opinion.
The modern Jupiter tubas I have played where thicker and heavier than most.
They appear solidly constructed for the public school market.
(582/482 4 piston BBb)
Who needs four valves??
I've recently become a convert. In fact, I'm recently a Jupiter artist. But please understand, I changed my opinion on the line before ever being approached.
In the past (and I think that is where most people might be collecting their opinions from), I wasn't a fan of Jupiter tubas whatsoever, but since they've introduced their XO series and have made several changes to their low brass designs (like fixing the length of the 2nd-valve slide on their 4/4 BBb), I've grown to really appreciate them.
For students, I love to suggest the JTU1110 (Previous 582L) and the JTU1010 (Previous 482L). They play well in-tune and, especially for the money, hold up against other intermediate horns. The 1010 really barks if you give it some air--nice little horn. The valve sections on these come off with an Allen key! Imagine the time and, therefore, money you save for cleanings and dent work! The cases (included) come with wheels. That's a big deal when you're trucking these things around (trust me on this, parents).
The horn I own is the JSP1110 (Previous 590L) Sousaphone. I'm far too lazy to mess with three valves now. The four-valve horn is the only one I considered. This thing plays like a tuba! It's hefty with the extra tubing, but I wouldn't think the three-banger would be light either. There's always the trade-off, right? Anyway, besides my CC fingers being forced to play BBb for the first time in 25 years, the horn plays beautifully. I was so impressed as I haven't had great experience with nearly any sousaphones until now (with the exception of very lovely King at NAMM last year).
So, to the OP: $3000 for a general-purpose CC is pretty good. Eventually, like most of us who gig, you'll need more colours on your pallet, but that one will most likely serve for undergrad. Should you end up a career tubist, you'll need more horns, but I'd suggest keeping that one around for general use.
At TMEA recently, I played on the JTU1110 and the JTU1010. Both are BBb horns, and were by far my favorite BBb tubas at the convention. The response and warmth of the sound was very impressive, and all I used was my old Helleberg. I couldn't resist going back to the booth to play the 1110 just for fun. Snappy pistons, too.
That being said, I did try their 4+1 CC at an ITEC once (I think it was a 584), and it felt just a little stuffy. I liked the tone it had and I wasn't offended by any intonation stuff. I greatly preferred the XO CC, but it was of course the professional model. That price is pretty hard to beat for a quality instrument. Good choice for undergrad.
Jupiter have recently appointed Stephen Adcock, a long time Yamaha Product Manager in R+D. The brass (especially low brass) can only get better with him on board.
Andy Cattanach, UK
Fodens Band, Intrada Brass Ensemble.
Yamaha Neo BBb x 2 (2011 and 2016), B+H 3v Imperial BBb.
Yamaha YBL613H Bass Trombone.
Mike Finn 3 and 4, Yeo Signature Mouthpieces.
I don't deal with anything other than school-grade instruments of this manufacture.
I'm not familiar with pro-grade instruments, but I hear there is movement into the market.
As Asian instruments, I encounter some really well-made mainland Asian instruments that sport lower advertised prices.
Somehow, band directors (for quite a while) haven't seemed to have viewed this as "Asian", and the near-western-level pricing doesn't seem to phase them. That having been said, band directors buy stuff with gov't or band parent orgs' money, obviously, and not their own money.
Sousaphone-wise (which is mostly what I tend to see), the bodies are titanic (as far as metal thickness is concerned), but the bracing and hardware impress me as on the delicate side (brace flanges, receivers for upper mouthpipes, the type of material from which the water keys are manufactured, etc...) I tend to wait months for repair parts, from the order date, which is on par with other Asian manufacturers. The sousaphones look like King, but - to my ears - do not sound like King.
As to a specific item offered on eBay, if something is functional, pleases a consumer, and the price on that specific item pleases the consumer, there's likely going to be a sale, yes?
The worst examples I've played were made were made around 2005-06, the BBb 4/4 tuba and four valve sousa. Both seemed to be really stuffy and hard to play in tune. I've heard they improved some things since then but I can't exactly tell. The newer examples I've played recently didn't seem much better. I am hearing lots of schools and universities have switched to all Jupiter instruments. Either they get good deals on them or people love them! Not sure which.
My guess is good deals. I played Jupiter sousaphones in high school and it was "okay". Played nothing like a Conn or a King though. If I were a band director, I would probably have the old Conns or Kings overhauled one at a time from the worst to least worst. Our community band has a Jupiter 582 and plays "okay" as well, granted it is an early model from 1999. I find the first valve sticks a lot even though it's well oiled and the 5th partial is nearly unusable. Even my 6/4 has better intonation to be honest. So my experience has been "okay" at best with Jupiter instruments.
BMB J-764LQ 6/4 BBb
I'm a tuba player and a repairman. I've repaired many Jupiter instruments. And... I think their parts program is probably 2nd only to that of Yamaha. Jupiter has quite a bit of repair parts stock in the US.
"The Village Tinker"
Current 'stable'... Rudolf Meinl 5/4, Bohm & Meinl helicon, King 2341, Alphorn, BBb cimbasso, and misc. other strange stuff.
I think I'm going to start ordering their parts through Dan...
bloke "Basically, it's all migrated to China... 90 - 120 days for the last Jupiter order (no Jupiter Quantum marching baritone valve stems in stock during marching season...just received them two days ago after making a valve stem months ago, and forgetting to cancel the order) Yamaha: currently waiting for an outside slide tube for one of their most commonly-sold (intermediate-grade) F-attachment trombones...and don't confuse 'slow' with 'not nice'...The Jupiter and Yamaha people are both very nice..."
Approximately 5 years ago I played their 3 valve and 4 valve sousaphones a lot- mostly in a concert setting plus a few parades. I really liked the 4 valve horn. It was easy to play and had good intonation, felt a lot like an old 6/4 Conn BBb but with better intonation. It didn't breakup at high volumes, which I thought was really nice. I used a Houser MK 12, which most people buy to sound loud/nasty with. The shallow cup helped me focus the sound and articulate clearly, and I didn't blast. You don't need to blast when you have a bell front instrument.
Alexander 163CC 5v
Conn 72h, 1G
Used to own: MW20 BBb(super old model) 1915 Conn Grand Orchestral BBb, small valve MW 2145
Used to borrow: Miraphone 190 CC, from IAA
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