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G&P Cimbasso in F...reviews?

Postby Wes Krygsman » Sun Mar 12, 2017 8:56 pm

Anybody played one at length? Your thoughts?

I don't' get along with rotary valves usually and this seems to be the only piston model on the market, but not readily available to try. Just trying to find out more.

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Re: G&P Cimbasso in F...reviews?

Postby PaulMaybery » Sun Mar 12, 2017 10:19 pm

I did play one a few years back but was not able to make a side by side comparison. The G&P was a good Cimbasso. I would not say it was particularly great, but it was good and if you prefer pistons, well then it is probably what you will need to get. I prefer pistons myself but am extremely happy with the Wessex with 5 rotary valves, all RH. Mine has superb rotarys: smooth, quiet and fast. I also was more impressed with the Wessex as are several other players who think the same that it is perhaps as fine a cimbasso that is out on the market.
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Re: G&P Cimbasso in F...reviews?

Postby Casca Grossa » Mon Mar 13, 2017 8:37 am

If you were dead set on pistons, I'm sure a good tech could mate a piston section to a Wessex. It would probably still be considerably cheaper than the G and P after all was said and done.
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Re: G&P Cimbasso in F...reviews?

Postby bloke » Mon Mar 13, 2017 10:14 am

I've sorta walked away from my idea of replacing the annoying-to-me Jinbao rotors/linkage (heavy/clanking) on my cimbasso with pistons, and (if I end up doing something) I'll probably go to Meinlschmidt and purchase satisfactory rotors/linkage. (Meinlschmidt has already - at my request - sent me their rotor porting footprint, for my comparison.) JP doesn't make anything rotary that's .728" bore, so German craftsmanship is really the only answer.
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Re: G&P Cimbasso in F...reviews?

Postby ValveSlide » Tue Mar 14, 2017 4:11 am

bloke wrote:...German craftsmanship is really the only answer.


It sure was for the one I owned briefly. Yikes...
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Re: G&P Cimbasso in F...reviews?

Postby TheHatTuba » Tue Mar 14, 2017 12:03 pm

Besides G&P, Sam Gnagey also makes piston cimbassi (-os? -sen?) in F and Eb.
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Re: G&P Cimbasso in F...reviews?

Postby barry grrr-ero » Sun Mar 19, 2017 2:15 am

Of what little I've heard of the Wessex, I'm just not impressed with the sound. I'm wondering if anybody has had any experience with the smaller Cerveny F cimbasso- model 576? A local dealer is going to get a price quote for me, but there may be a long wait for one (I want to use it for 4th or 5th trombone parts in a college jazz band).

To my ears, the G & P comes across great sounding on what few Youtube clips there are out there. But those are close to 10 grand, aren't they?
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Re: G&P Cimbasso in F...reviews?

Postby bloke » Sun Mar 19, 2017 10:51 am

Play (for at least an hour) before you buy.
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Re: G&P Cimbasso in F...reviews?

Postby quesonegro » Sun Mar 19, 2017 1:24 pm

I really liked the ones I've played. I've had the chance to play a few at the Trade show in Frankfurt and also visited the workshop in Milan a few years back. They make really nice instruments, in my opinion! The gauge of the G & P is a bit bigger than my Haag and it took me a little while to start finding the core, but that's just a small matter of adjustment. I played a Wessex cimbasso at the Frankfurt fair as well and I don't think it even comes close...the G & P is hand built by master craftsmen and still has a relatively reasonable price tag...when/if-ever I get a second cimbasso, I'll go for the G & P!
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Re: G&P Cimbasso in F...reviews?

Postby ValveSlide » Sun Mar 19, 2017 7:12 pm

quesonegro wrote:I really liked the ones I've played. I've had the chance to play a few at the Trade show in Frankfurt and also visited the workshop in Milan a few years back. They make really nice instruments, in my opinion! The gauge of the G & P is a bit bigger than my Haag and it took me a little while to start finding the core, but that's just a small matter of adjustment. I played a Wessex cimbasso at the Frankfurt fair as well and I don't think it even comes close...the G & P is hand built by master craftsmen and still has a relatively reasonable price tag...when/if-ever I get a second cimbasso, I'll go for the G & P!


Just as an FYI (and you may already know), your videos are being used by another JinBao (same maker as Wessex) seller to sell their stuff.

https://omalleymusicalinstruments.com/shop/brass/trombones/omalley-cimbasso-verdi-bass-trombone/
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Re: G&P Cimbasso in F...reviews?

Postby bloke » Sun Mar 19, 2017 7:23 pm

The last new Jinbao cimbasso I saw arrived in the USA in an "anvil"-style case.

I wonder if an importer has the option of that vs. the cordura/styrofoam ?
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Re: G&P Cimbasso in F...reviews?

Postby Adam Peck » Sun Mar 19, 2017 7:40 pm

The G&P F cimbasso I have played for many years in the TCO is a fine instrument. Its large bore (c .787 I think) gives a slightly more tubaish sound than some of the other makers, but it is a well built, responsive horn. It is quite free blowing and I prefer it to the other cimbassi I have played. I like it in every way over the Chinese copy...although I only played the copy for a half hour or so. I have not tried the rotor version but I suspect it is also a fine instrument.
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Re: G&P Cimbasso in F...reviews?

Postby quesonegro » Mon Mar 20, 2017 12:50 am

ValveSlide wrote:
Just as an FYI (and you may already know), your videos are being used by another JinBao (same maker as Wessex) seller to sell their stuff.

https://omalleymusicalinstruments.com/shop/brass/trombones/omalley-cimbasso-verdi-bass-trombone/


Oh man, that's just sad! I didn't know, thank you. I'll send them an email!

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Re: G&P Cimbasso in F...reviews?

Postby ValveSlide » Mon Mar 20, 2017 5:56 am

I believe they also use that video when selling those on eBay, too...
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Re: G&P Cimbasso in F...reviews?

Postby quesonegro » Mon Mar 20, 2017 9:55 am

They changed the info on the web site right away...as a general example of the cimbasso it's ok :)
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