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Postby Steginkt » Wed Apr 19, 2017 11:58 pm

Hello, all. I am in my fourth year studying with Marty Erickson in Wisconsin. I am staying for the next year to add some more minors and degrees, and then will largely be out teaching and - hopefully- performing. I use a Marty Erickson model as my everyday horn, and am able to navigate on it fairly well. I would say I have about the same low range as your average contrabass player, minus perhaps a few of the double pedals. High range is no issue, so pretty much any everyday playing that comes my way can be managed, be it quintet, solo, or concert band.
HOWEVER...
I would still like to purchase a contrabass horn. I currently have a CB-50 borrowed for the year,but it simply doesn't have any benefits vs what I can do on the Eb. I am hoping to buy one by late august or early september of this year. My budget is 6.5k-7k, and I have mostly been looking at the Wisemann 900 and the Wyvern.
I was hoping to hear some feedback, as this will be my first venture into purchasing a new contrabass.
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Re: Large contrabass?

Postby bort » Thu Apr 20, 2017 12:53 am

If you already like how Willson tubas play, consider a Willson 3050. They are usually a little higher than your budget, but you could get lucky.
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Re: Large contrabass?

Postby THE TUBA » Thu Apr 20, 2017 1:00 am

Are you looking at BBbs or just CC horns? If you're going to be teaching, you might find that a BBb is much easier on your brain when trying to play along with trumpet and horn parts than a CC. Also, it is more likely to find solid used 5/4 or 6/4 BBb tubas in that range than CCs.

Baltimore Brass has a used Holton 345 (Big 6/4 BBb) on hold for only 4.5K (which is a steal). Absolutely worth looking into in case the hold doesn't stick.
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Re: Large contrabass?

Postby Steginkt » Fri Apr 21, 2017 11:52 am

I am defenitely open to BBbs as well. My only requirements are that the horn have a much bigger sound than the willson and be in my price range
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Re: Large contrabass?

Postby barry grrr-ero » Fri Apr 21, 2017 12:15 pm

I also think that's solid advise, especially if your main objective is teaching. BBb tubas have improved a lot. What about this B&S 51 or 55 that everyone is so excited over?
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Re: Large contrabass?

Postby KiltieTuba » Fri Apr 21, 2017 1:44 pm

Wait, you're learning from Marty Erickson... why don't you ask him about a viable contrabass?
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Re: Large contrabass?

Postby Bob Kolada » Fri Apr 21, 2017 8:34 pm

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Re: Large contrabass?

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Re: Large contrabass?

Postby PaulMaybery » Sat Apr 22, 2017 2:45 am

My vote: The "Wyvern" - a very fine 5/4 tuba. You would need to jump into the 12K or higher bracket to find a comparable or arguably better instrument. Very consistent in every regard from top to bottom. If you haven't tried one and are in the Minneapolis area, give a holler and you can take mine for a test drive.
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Re: Large contrabass?

Postby Steginkt » Sat Apr 22, 2017 10:10 pm

I want to thank everyone for the valuable input. I think that even though I was open to BBb instruments, I hadnt truly taken a look at any of them. I think I might spring for the 36j at Dillon Music if its still open at the end of the summer
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Re: Large contrabass?

Postby bloke » Tue Apr 25, 2017 2:05 pm

Have I heard that the Kurath's are going to start offering tubas that are made of brass that is more similar in thickness to other manufacturers' brass?

I believe I also have been told (correct? incorrect?) that their manufacturing techniques are somewhat different, which is (basically) the reason that their instruments' metal thickness has been more than most others'.

I've never found the Kurath metal thickness to be much of a sonic issue, but have found it to be a balancing-the-instrument-while-playing-it-while-doing-a-bit-of-slide-manipulation issue - particularly with the contrabass instruments.
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Re: Large contrabass?

Postby bort » Tue Apr 25, 2017 2:43 pm

bloke wrote:I believe I also have been told (correct? incorrect?) that their manufacturing techniques are somewhat different, which is (basically) the reason that their instruments' metal thickness has been more than most others'.


Interesting -- any specifics you can share?
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Re: Large contrabass?

Postby bloke » Tue Apr 25, 2017 2:54 pm

bort wrote:
bloke wrote:I believe I also have been told (correct? incorrect?) that their manufacturing techniques are somewhat different, which is (basically) the reason that their instruments' metal thickness has been more than most others'.


Interesting -- any specifics you can share?


In particular, I believe I've heard that their bell manufacturing techniques are different..."one-piece...made of a large brass tube...??" (I'm asking, here, not telling.)
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Re: Large contrabass?

Postby bort » Tue Apr 25, 2017 3:58 pm

That's what I was wondering too -- maybe similar to the B&S "slamming" technique?

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Re: Large contrabass?

Postby roweenie » Tue Apr 25, 2017 4:43 pm

bort wrote:That's what I was wondering too -- maybe similar to the B&S "slamming" technique?



Seems like a great way to work out some frustration issues....

I especially like it at 3:09, where the guy assembling a valve cluster uses a bare finger to wipe away some excess solder.... :shock:
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