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Postby apurdum » Fri May 12, 2017 3:47 pm

Are there different models of Marzan slant rotor BBb Tubas? I was looking at the one on ebay and the one for sale on Grady Instruments sight, the ebay one appears to have a longer-skinnier bell. Are their other significant differences between models.
Any info would be appreciated
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Re: Marzan Models

Postby windshieldbug » Fri May 12, 2017 4:04 pm

If anyone would know it would be Dan Schultz...
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Re: Marzan Models

Postby bort » Fri May 12, 2017 4:12 pm

I think the only "versions" were:
* BBb or CC
* 4 or 5 valves
* 1-piece or detachable bell

My opinion: the Grady and eBay tubas look the same, just the angles of the photos and the raw brass/lacquer differences make them look different.
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Re: Marzan Models

Postby tuben » Fri May 12, 2017 6:17 pm

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The "Solo" model was a contrabass?
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Re: Marzan Models

Postby TheHatTuba » Fri May 12, 2017 6:47 pm

bort wrote:My opinion: the Grady and eBay tubas look the same, just the angles of the photos and the raw brass/lacquer differences make them look different.

^ This. Both are B&M. I do not believe B&M made any Marzan bass tubas. If I recall correctly, the CC model had a slight change in the design of the bugle later in production in an attempt to correct some pitch issues.

The Willson ones came in BBb, CC (17" bells, not sure if they made any 19") and Eb (16"? forgot the bell sizes). Have yet to see an F, but they may exist.
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Re: Marzan Models

Postby Dan Schultz » Fri May 12, 2017 10:52 pm

windshieldbug wrote:If anyone would know it would be Dan Schultz...


Yeah. But... I ain't talkin'. Others have already covered it.
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Re: Marzan Models

Postby MikeMason » Fri May 12, 2017 11:40 pm

I bet a 5 valve solo CC would be a sweetheart,if one exists.
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Re: Marzan Models

Postby windshieldbug » Fri May 12, 2017 11:56 pm

MikeMason wrote:I bet a 5 valve solo CC would be a sweetheart,if one exists.


They did, but the four valve is just fine once you get used to manipulating the main slide only.
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Re: Marzan Models

Postby bort » Sat May 13, 2017 12:06 am

MikeMason wrote:I bet a 5 valve solo CC would be a sweetheart,if one exists.


I've only seen 4-valve models, and the ones I have played were pretty good. I *think* they are pretty close to the current Willson 4400 CC tuba...?
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Re: Marzan Models

Postby fulerzoo » Sat May 13, 2017 7:01 am

I played a CC Marzan solo (Willson made) for 6 years in the late '70s. Excellent facile horn in a small package. The intonation was quite good with very little need to manipulate the tuning slide.

I have played numerous B&M made CC Marzans (both rotor and piston) and owned one for 2 years. I liked the sound very much but they all were intonation nightmares. The universal tuning slide was not a pleasant solution to this. The constant manipulation of this was a distinct distraction from other playing attentions.

I currently own a B&M made BBb Marzan (piston). It's a MARVELOUS horn with excellent intonation! It will have to be pried from my cold dead hands.
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Re: Marzan Models

Postby tuben » Sat May 13, 2017 12:18 pm

Are there differences between the Willson / B&M built instruments?
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Re: Marzan Models

Postby bort » Sat May 13, 2017 2:04 pm

B&M made all of the large Marzan tubas, both keys, both valve types. Willson made the smaller 17" bell Marzan tubas. The small ones are like a small 4/4 size, and the big ones are like a small 5/4 size.
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