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Schiller "Michigan"?????

Postby sousaphonehero » Tue May 16, 2017 7:02 pm

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Re: Schiller "Michigan"?????

Postby 58mark » Tue May 16, 2017 7:32 pm

I don't know who designed it, or sold it first. Wessex still sells quite a few models that are basically just jinbao horns with some minor alterations. It's possible that the Michigan is one of those horns, with no real originator (except the horn that it was copied from)
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Re: Schiller "Michigan"?????

Postby sousaphonehero » Tue May 16, 2017 7:59 pm

58mark wrote:I don't know who designed it, or sold it first. Wessex still sells quite a few models that are basically just jinbao horns with some minor alterations. It's possible that the Michigan is one of those horns, with no real originator (except the horn that it was copied from)

Makes sense.
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Re: Schiller "Michigan"?????

Postby kmorgancraw » Tue May 16, 2017 9:21 pm

sousaphonehero wrote:http://www.ebay.com/itm/Schiller-American-Heritage-BBb-5-Valve-Piston-Compensating-Tuba-Silver-/262988922133?hash=item3d3b5c7d15:g:YkUAAOSwq1JZG1y8" target="_blank

Definitely Wessex's design....


I think this was Miraphone's design actually... But Jinbao produced this copy before Wessex put it in their lineup.
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Re: Schiller "Michigan"?????

Postby bloke » Tue May 16, 2017 10:14 pm

cool. 8)








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Re: Schiller "Michigan"?????

Postby Michael Bush » Wed May 17, 2017 6:45 am

I'm pretty sure this is not a new development. There may perhaps have been a gap, but Laabs was selling this several years ago.

Once upon a time, around the time Wessex and Mack Brass were starting up, I talked with Tom about it. He didn't want to include it in his inventory because he thought it would be too hard to make money on, but was willing to order one if I wanted it.
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Re: Schiller "Michigan"?????

Postby Wyvern » Wed May 17, 2017 7:06 am

This is basically a clone of a Miraphone 1291 and is a standard Jinbao product and not new Wessex development (although we have made enhancements over the standard product). It is still in Wessex catalogue at present, but we are in the process of developing a new original design 5-valve piston BBb (based on the CC Wyvern) which will replace the Michigan in the Wessex line-up during the next year
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Re: Schiller "Michigan"?????

Postby 58mark » Wed May 17, 2017 8:13 am

Now that we gave that resolved, I have to ask...

How did a Chinese copy of a German design sold by a British company get the name "Michigan"?
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Re: Schiller "Michigan"?????

Postby Wyvern » Wed May 17, 2017 8:37 am

58mark wrote:Now that we gave that resolved, I have to ask...

How did a Chinese copy of a German design sold by a British company get the name "Michigan"?

I think it was the first new tuba added to Wessex range after opening Michigan store
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Re: Schiller "Michigan"?????

Postby Three Valves » Wed May 17, 2017 10:20 am

Why no love for Michigan State??
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Re: Schiller "Michigan"?????

Postby tubapix » Wed May 17, 2017 4:48 pm

Quote from ad - "Authoritative projections with vociferous sub tones" - If this is the same design as the "Michigan" it should be a very nice horn.
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Re: Schiller "Michigan"?????

Postby Michael Bush » Wed May 17, 2017 5:48 pm

tubapix wrote:Quote from ad - "Authoritative projections with vociferous sub tones"

Jim says that to all the girls.
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Re: Schiller "Michigan"?????

Postby Bob Kolada » Wed May 17, 2017 9:12 pm

I played one at Midwest a few years ago and thought it played very well. I'd buy one.
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Re: Schiller "Michigan"?????

Postby the elephant » Wed May 17, 2017 9:44 pm

York reference, folks. Grand Rapids...
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Re: Schiller "Michigan"?????

Postby 58mark » Wed May 17, 2017 9:48 pm

So the miraphone is a copy of a York?
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Re: Schiller "Michigan"?????

Postby the elephant » Wed May 17, 2017 9:53 pm

It has nothing to do with the horn, just the ad copy. I have read that many times, though that text seems to have been removed now. And that Miraphone looks like an old US horn gone over with a little modern R&D. So yes, indirectly.
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Re: Schiller "Michigan"?????

Postby 58mark » Wed May 17, 2017 10:16 pm

interesting.
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Re: Schiller "Michigan"?????

Postby Michael Bush » Wed May 17, 2017 10:21 pm

So York used to advertise vociferous subtones and such North Korean sounding things?
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Re: Schiller "Michigan"?????

Postby lowbrassmaniac » Wed May 17, 2017 10:52 pm

Three Valves wrote:Why no love for Michigan State??

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