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Wessex CC "Mahler" vs. Mack Brass 410

Postby eupho » Mon May 15, 2017 10:59 pm

Opinions on these two great tubas as do it all horns? Particularly in quintet. Does the slightly smaller bell make a difference?
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Re: Wessex CC "Mahler"

Postby Wyvern » Wed May 17, 2017 2:54 am

Obviously I think the 16 3/4" bell on the Wessex Mahler is an improvement, but others may think different, as we all have different tonal concepts...

To give some background on the smaller bell. The Wessex Mahler is basically a clone of a Miraphone 186 and the earlier ones of those are reputed to play better. I therefore thought it was worth trying smaller bell on the Mahler which also moves it away from being clone of current Miraphone with which I feel uneasy. The result has exceeded my expectations. I love the more focused tone with the smaller bell and it feels, at least to me, like has even improved the response. However, you need to try and judge for yourself.
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Re: Wessex CC "Mahler"

Postby lost » Wed May 17, 2017 6:43 am

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Re: Wessex CC "Mahler"

Postby the elephant » Wed May 17, 2017 7:35 am

And now the thread makes no sense. What two horns? Only one is mentioned in the title.
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Re: Wessex CC "Mahler"

Postby lost » Wed May 17, 2017 8:36 am

Sorry the board software didn't keep the edited title of the reply from the previous thread and went with the main reply title. Maybe eupho or wyvern can elaborate.
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Re: Wessex CC "Mahler"

Postby Wyvern » Wed May 17, 2017 8:38 am

The post was asking for comparison between Wessex Mahler and Mack Brass 410
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Re: Wessex CC "Mahler" vs. Mack Brass 410

Postby Three Valves » Wed May 17, 2017 12:13 pm

So it's the bell AND the Z valves??
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Re: Wessex CC "Mahler" vs. Mack Brass 410

Postby the elephant » Wed May 17, 2017 2:25 pm

Better title. Now people can drop in and know what this is about. Thanks.

I have a Mack 410 and love it. I would be very interested in the current version of the Mahler, too. Comparisons based on actual playing experience of BOTH horns would be very helpful.
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Re: Wessex CC "Mahler" vs. Mack Brass 410

Postby eupho » Wed May 17, 2017 3:50 pm

I should have posted a new topic. And it should include the Schiller CC, the Dillon 410, the TE 410 and the O'Malley 410.
My first question was in regard to the different size bells between the 410 models and the "Mahler".

Second question is, do people like or dislike these tall horns in quintet? That is if you prefer CC in quintet.

Virsatile enough to be "do it all" horns?
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Re: Wessex CC "Mahler" vs. Mack Brass 410

Postby fenne1ca » Thu May 18, 2017 9:29 am

I cannot compare the two/several, but my Mack 410CC (gold brass bell) can definitely serve all purposes that I need it for. It is excellent as an ensemble horn, to include quintet. A bit more horn than I want for most solo work, but that's more of a CC problem than a 410 problem.
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Re: Wessex CC "Mahler" vs. Mack Brass 410

Postby mctuba1 » Fri May 19, 2017 7:41 am

To me the 186 model and the 410 models are perfect quintet tubas. I have never liked the f tuba in quintet as they are just too small. If you look at most high level pro quintets they use a 4/4 cc. The Miraphone 186 and the horns modeled after them are some of the most popular do it all tubas ever made.
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