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Postby pauvog1 » Thu May 18, 2017 8:42 am

Are these two tubas about the same size, or is the Thor a little bigger?

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Re: MW 5450 & 2155

Postby bloke » Thu May 18, 2017 9:36 am

pauvog1 wrote:Are these two tubas about the same size, or is the Thor a little bigger?

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The Thor is a bit bigger, and I'd also say that the 2155 plays considerably better with a smaller mouthpipe, as the large on-board mouthpipe - arguably - may be an attempt to make the 2155 play "bigger" than it optimally plays.
i.e. The 2155 is a much better "large 4/4" (perhaps the best-ever) than it is a 5/4.

In an old for sale thread, I put a 2155 next to a 5450, but it was an attachment, instead of a hyperlink. I'm thinking (as he needs space, and it was perfectly justified) Mark may have disabled it, as that picture no longer "pops" on the page.
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Re: MW 5450 & 2155

Postby pauvog1 » Thu May 18, 2017 10:11 am

Thank you Bloke!

If you still have the pic, could you either share it or send it to me?
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Re: MW 5450 & 2155

Postby bloke » Thu May 18, 2017 10:39 am

pauvog1 wrote:Thank you Bloke!

If you still have the pic, could you either share it or send it to me?


I didn't find it at first (otherwise, I would have ALREADY re-posted it), but (just now) searched ANOTHER way and DID find it.

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I don't think I could imagine a better large 4/4 C tuba than a good 2155 with a smaller (Thor-size) mouthpipe tube and MAW valves.
(In the picture, you can see how fat the 2155 mouthpipe tube is.)
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Re: MW 5450 & 2155

Postby tuben » Thu May 18, 2017 11:28 am

bloke wrote:Image


In this shot, the bugle of the 5450 looks a great deal like a B&S GR51
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Re: MW 5450 & 2155

Postby bort » Thu May 18, 2017 12:06 pm

Interesting about the leadpipes. Reminds me of the 1292 vs 1291 leadpipe.

Maybe it's something about those monster NYPO players designing tubas/leadpipes that work for THEM... and not for everyone else in the world. :tuba:
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Re: MW 5450 & 2155

Postby bloke » Thu May 18, 2017 12:56 pm

bort wrote:Interesting about the leadpipes. Reminds me of the 1292 vs 1291 leadpipe.

Maybe it's something about those monster NYPO players designing tubas/leadpipes that work for THEM... and not for everyone else in the world. :tuba:


"those" - plural...??

Have you spoken with the current one, and of his philosophies?

The quality of the resonance of the 2155 "sings" (assuming, a nice vibration coming from a player's lips) with a smaller mouthpipe tube.
The quality of the resonance is more "utilitarian" with the stock mouthpipe tube.
The one pictured offers stupid-good intonation (could get by without messing with slides...better than the typical 188), and now belongs to a military band in Canada.
If someone sold me a really nice 2155 stupid-cheap, I'd be tempted to "fix" the mouthpipe and keep it.
the one pictured...It was just too pretty/too close to brand-new cosmetics to put a torch to the mouthpipe tube...so I sold it.

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Re: MW 5450 & 2155

Postby pauvog1 » Thu May 18, 2017 7:33 pm

bloke wrote:
pauvog1 wrote:Thank you Bloke!

If you still have the pic, could you either share it or send it to me?


I didn't find it at first (otherwise, I would have ALREADY re-posted it), but (just now) searched ANOTHER way and DID find it.

Image

I don't think I could imagine a better large 4/4 C tuba than a good 2155 with a smaller (Thor-size) mouthpipe tube and MAW valves.
(In the picture, you can see how fat the 2155 mouthpipe tube is.)


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Re: MW 5450 & 2155

Postby bisontuba » Thu May 18, 2017 8:53 pm

How is the Chinese 'clone' of the M/W Thor? Anyone importing them?
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Re: MW 5450 & 2155

Postby bloke » Thu May 18, 2017 9:07 pm

Didn't the M-W 5450 appear before the PT-605 (GR-51) appeared, or am I mistaken?

Possibly (??), a more accurate statement would be "In this shot, the M-W 5450 looks a lot like the old rotary M-W 2155R."

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I believe strongly that the (failed) 2155R was pulled back off the shelf (after quite a few years of collecting dust), the small branches of the bugle were changed (to rid the tuba of an unusable flat 3rd partial G, trading it for a "classic" flat 5th partial - E/Eb) and it was reintroduced with (as had begun to come into vogue) a much smaller mouthpipe tube, and a pasted-on "York-style" piston valveset. The extremely powerful low range offered by this bugle remained intact, and the tuning characteristics had been shifted around to offer (again) a usable instrument.
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Re: MW 5450 & 2155

Postby toobagrowl » Thu May 18, 2017 10:53 pm

^ I think M-W based the Thor/Touno/GR-51/55 off the old 2155R, but made changes everywhere. I have a (modified) 2155R - I've changed out the leadpipe with a smaller one and floated it off the bell. Greatly improved response. I've also changed out (soldered) one slide leg from the 1st valve slide with one of the 2nd valve slide legs as I felt the first valve circuit was originally too short. I always had the first valve slide out as far as it would go, which was only about 1.5 inches. Now I have at least one inch more pull to get the 1 and 12 combos well in-tune. But yeah, the bottom of the staff G and Gb want to naturally play 15 - 20c flat. It's lippable though. You forgot the other 'funky' pitch - Eb below the staff is sharp :P I have my 3rd slide out about 2 inches so the Eb isn't terribly sharp and the Ab's not too flat. I use 15 for Eb a lot and it works very well.
Besides those funky pitches, everything else is fine :tuba:

That tuba has an amazing sound - big, dense, dark, yet compact with bright overtones :idea: I still use it for "big" stuff now and then. I even used it for a Christmas quintet gig, using a shallow Yamaha 67B4 mpc.
Fun! :tuba:

But yeah, the modern 5450 and 2155 are nice tubas.
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Re: MW 5450 & 2155

Postby soyezu » Mon May 22, 2017 10:53 pm

bisontuba wrote:How is the Chinese 'clone' of the M/W Thor? Anyone importing them?


Is this what you were looking for?
https://www.tubaexchange.com/products/te-450-cc-tuba

I have a vague recollection that someone mentioned playing one over in Europe, but I couldn't find the post when I tried searching for it.
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