Compensating EEb tubas with smaller bells?
- Alex C
- pro musician
- Posts: 2225
- Joined: Fri Mar 19, 2004 10:34 am
- Location: Cybertexas
Re: Compensating EEb tubas with smaller bells?
You don't want the small bell unless you want to sound like a modern euphonium.
City Intonation Inspector - Dallas Texas
"Holding the Bordognian Fabric of the Universe together through better pitch, one note at a time."
Practicing results in increased atmospheric CO2 thus causing global warming.
"Holding the Bordognian Fabric of the Universe together through better pitch, one note at a time."
Practicing results in increased atmospheric CO2 thus causing global warming.
- cjk
- 5 valves
- Posts: 1915
- Joined: Fri Mar 19, 2004 12:16 pm
Re: Compensating EEb tubas with smaller bells?
Locate a Yamaha 631 compensated EEb. It has about a 17 inch bell. I have one. It is EVERYTHING which all these big F tubas wish they were. No, I don't want to sell it.
There is also a 17 inch belled 3+1 Besson. The model number is 980. I've never played the smaller belled one, but they are probably great.
There is also a 17 inch belled 3+1 Besson. The model number is 980. I've never played the smaller belled one, but they are probably great.
- imperialbari
- 6 valves
- Posts: 7461
- Joined: Fri Mar 19, 2004 3:47 am
Re: Compensating EEb tubas with smaller bells?
The Besson 980 has teh 17" bell, but not the large leadpipe of the Besson 981:58mark wrote:
So what I'm hoping for is to find an Eb tuba with the smaller Bell, but it has to be a model with good intonation AND the taller leadpipe
http://www.besson.com/en/instruments/so ... n-eb-tuba/
Klaus
- GC
- 5 valves
- Posts: 1800
- Joined: Fri Mar 19, 2004 5:52 am
- Location: Rome, GA (between Rosedale and Armuchee)
Re: Compensating EEb tubas with smaller bells?
JP/Sterling 377 compensating Eb; Warburton "The Grail" T.G.4, RM-9 7.8, Yamaha 66D4; for sale > 1914 Conn Monster Eb (my avatar), ca. 1905 Fillmore Bros 1/4-size Eb, Bach 42B trombone
- cjk
- 5 valves
- Posts: 1915
- Joined: Fri Mar 19, 2004 12:16 pm
Re: Compensating EEb tubas with smaller bells?
The Besson 983s seem too come up for sale used somewhat frequently.
- GC
- 5 valves
- Posts: 1800
- Joined: Fri Mar 19, 2004 5:52 am
- Location: Rome, GA (between Rosedale and Armuchee)
Re: Compensating EEb tubas with smaller bells?
I think the Fletcher leadpipe was offered only on the 981. Wessex used to offer it as an option, but I don't know if they still do.
JP/Sterling 377 compensating Eb; Warburton "The Grail" T.G.4, RM-9 7.8, Yamaha 66D4; for sale > 1914 Conn Monster Eb (my avatar), ca. 1905 Fillmore Bros 1/4-size Eb, Bach 42B trombone
- Wyvern
- Wessex Tubas
- Posts: 5033
- Joined: Fri Sep 01, 2006 7:00 pm
- Location: Hampshire, England when not travelling around the world on Wessex business
- Contact:
Re: Compensating EEb tubas with smaller bells?
We no longer stock an Eb tuba with Fletcher pipe. I can get them to special order, but would not recommend. The low mouthpiece position causes bad posture while playing - and I myself suffered trapped nerve in the neck, I am sure from years of bad posture playing a Besson 981.GC wrote:I think the Fletcher leadpipe was offered only on the 981. Wessex used to offer it as an option, but I don't know if they still do.
I think the Wessex Solo with 16 ¾" bell would be ideal for the OP and what he is looking. It has the higher leadpipe. I play the Solo myself as my usual bass tuba, and personally prefer to the 19" bell Eb.
- bigboymusic
- 3 valves
- Posts: 383
- Joined: Fri Mar 19, 2004 7:54 am
- Location: Independence, MO
Re: Compensating EEb tubas with smaller bells?
I've owned way too many E-flats over the years. But the best one was a 983 out of the first batch in 98... I think you would love the 983!!! If you really want the 3+1, the Yamaha with the 17 bell is a winner.
Paul Weissenborn
St. Joseph Symphony Orchestra (MO)
Spirit of Independence Band
SJSO Quintet
Alex 163 CC
YEB 321S
St. Joseph Symphony Orchestra (MO)
Spirit of Independence Band
SJSO Quintet
Alex 163 CC
YEB 321S
-
- bugler
- Posts: 213
- Joined: Thu Nov 05, 2009 2:00 am
Re: Compensating EEb tubas with smaller bells?
Hi Mark- I have a Wessex solo and am in the Houston area. I do have it listed for sale but you are welcome to try it any time if you are in the area. I had tried the larger bell versions and prefer the smaller bell.
- bigboymusic
- 3 valves
- Posts: 383
- Joined: Fri Mar 19, 2004 7:54 am
- Location: Independence, MO
Re: Compensating EEb tubas with smaller bells?
Doesn't the 984 have a 15 bell??? I hear they are incredible.
Paul Weissenborn
St. Joseph Symphony Orchestra (MO)
Spirit of Independence Band
SJSO Quintet
Alex 163 CC
YEB 321S
St. Joseph Symphony Orchestra (MO)
Spirit of Independence Band
SJSO Quintet
Alex 163 CC
YEB 321S
- Lectron
- 4 valves
- Posts: 771
- Joined: Sun Sep 04, 2011 5:25 am
- Location: Norway
Re: Compensating EEb tubas with smaller bells?
Besson 984bigboymusic wrote:Doesn't the 984 have a 15 bell??? I hear they are incredible.
Cracking instrument
http://www.besson.com/en/instruments/so ... reign-984/" target="_blank" target="_blank
Melton 200 -=- Melton 2141 -=- Cerveny 883 Opera -=- Besson 992 -=- MPCs: 3pcs steel (Sellmansberger/Parker)
- imperialbari
- 6 valves
- Posts: 7461
- Joined: Fri Mar 19, 2004 3:47 am
Re: Compensating EEb tubas with smaller bells?
Does Besson use the same mandrel for the 15", 17", and 19" bells?
Klaus
Klaus
- Wyvern
- Wessex Tubas
- Posts: 5033
- Joined: Fri Sep 01, 2006 7:00 pm
- Location: Hampshire, England when not travelling around the world on Wessex business
- Contact:
Re: Compensating EEb tubas with smaller bells?
I believe they do.imperialbari wrote:Does Besson use the same mandrel for the 15", 17", and 19" bells?
Klaus
- imperialbari
- 6 valves
- Posts: 7461
- Joined: Fri Mar 19, 2004 3:47 am
Re: Compensating EEb tubas with smaller bells?
Then the 984 must have a longer tuning slide than the 983.
&
Then the 980 must have a longer tuning slide than the 981.
Klaus
&
Then the 980 must have a longer tuning slide than the 981.
Klaus
- Wyvern
- Wessex Tubas
- Posts: 5033
- Joined: Fri Sep 01, 2006 7:00 pm
- Location: Hampshire, England when not travelling around the world on Wessex business
- Contact:
Re: Compensating EEb tubas with smaller bells?
The Wessex Solo with 16 3/4" bell has longer main tuning slide than our Champion with 19" bell - so I suspect Besson has done the same, although the different leadpipe on 984 may have changed pitch slightly