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What kind of tuba is this guy playing? Also, check the nifty rotary valve trombone.

http://www.tirol-kaiserjaegermusik.at/f ... 38_JPG.htm

My guess is a B&S 103 in Bb. Guessing by the get-ups, probably German and most likely a B&S horn.

I second the B&S vote. I spent about 3 years playing on one of those. The 181 I think is only available in 5 or 6 valves, plus it has a ring on the top of the first valve slide.

Aren't the slides (the 1st, for example...) too long to be an F tuba?

schlepporello wrote:The Miraphone 181 F tuba is real close too.

Here'e a 4 valve 181...pretty different, in my opinion. I'm going to go with it being a B&S 103 BBb

Looks too large to be an F tuba to me. I was going to say that it looks like a M-W Hilgers, but it could be one of any number of similar looking rotary valve tubas, either BBb or CC, with a vertical main tuning slide.

chevy68chv wrote:The 181 I think is only available in 5 or 6 valves, plus it has a ring on the top of the first valve slide.

My 181 doesn't have a ring on the first valve slide. Only the newer 181's have the ring.

BTW, the original tuba in question is not a 181 and I seriously doubt is an F tuba of any kind.

I´ll second the BBb-pitch of the tuba.
1) The musicians play in a traditional Austrian band, so you won´t find anything other than F and BBb.
2) This has too many branches and is too massive to be an F.
3) Notice the setup of the quintet and their outfit: 2 rotary flugelhorns, 1 valve trombone, 1 tenorhorn and a tuba.
Dress: traditional "Tracht".
More likely than not, these people play traditional "Buramusig"
(Polkas, Weisen and marches suitable for that lineup)
There is a number of traditional ensembles in Austria, that can be told apart considering instrumentation and specific repertoire by connaisseurs.
(Not me, I only know they exist).
There´s one thing they have in common, though: if both tubas are available and the ensemble uses one at all, they´ll use the BBb, not the F.
Now, the Kaiserjäger have a large enough tuba section to provide both...

BTW, look at the pieces they play. Very much of it resembles a great list of pure traditional Austrian Blasmusik, in case you´re searching pieces for the next local Octoberfest.
Hans