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Re: OK, if cimbassos are suppose to be such pieces of junk,

Postby quesonegro » Mon Jul 03, 2017 5:16 pm

There's a Kalison for sale on German Ebay at the moment...Buy it now €5000!

http://www.ebay.de/itm/Cimbasso/292159731511?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649
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Re: OK, if cimbassos are suppose to be such pieces of junk,

Postby royjohn » Wed Jul 05, 2017 12:37 pm

I emailed Tom at Mack Brass and he says he doesn't plan on carrying them as a regular item, but will special order for about $2,700 with half down as a deposit. Says it would take about three months to get here. I'm thinking about it when I have the extra cash...
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Re: OK, if cimbassos are suppose to be such pieces of junk,

Postby bloke » Wed Jul 05, 2017 2:00 pm

royjohn wrote:I emailed Tom at Mack Brass and he says he doesn't plan on carrying them as a regular item, but will special order for about $2,700 with half down as a deposit. Says it would take about three months to get here. I'm thinking about it when I have the extra cash...
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Not commenting on another that is mentioned being offered for sale, I will reemphasize that the Rudy copy that Tom is willing to order is very easy to play in tune (minor #1 slide trigger movements). If it were not, I would not be planning on spending so much time and money towards seeing if I can make mine even better. Again, I'm absurdly picky. I just don't like being "aware" of the instrument (either it's playing characteristics or mechanical characteristics) or mouthpiece when playing. Perhaps (??), were I a better player, I could deal with such distractions more effectively.
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Re: OK, if cimbassos are suppose to be such pieces of junk,

Postby Bob Kolada » Wed Jul 05, 2017 9:20 pm

Barry, you might be better off just buying a euph and using a large shallow mouthpiece.
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Re: OK, if cimbassos are suppose to be such pieces of junk,

Postby barry grrr-ero » Wed Jul 05, 2017 9:22 pm

Thanks, but that's a "been there, done that" for me. I want something more trombone-ish in tone.
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Re: OK, if cimbassos are suppose to be such pieces of junk,

Postby barry grrr-ero » Thu Jul 06, 2017 2:26 pm

What do you wise owls think of buying that Kalison from Germany over E-Bay. That's certainly a great price. Is that a safe thing to do, or is it too risky?
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Re: OK, if cimbassos are suppose to be such pieces of junk,

Postby royjohn » Thu Jul 06, 2017 2:47 pm

It's my understanding that if you use Paypal, you would have a return privilege and the right to reverse the charge if unhappy with the purchase. Probably you could also charge back if you paid with a credit card. You would have to consider the cost of return shipping should you be dissatisfied. It seems some of the shipping rates FROM Europe that the ebay sellers quote are pretty cheap (one recent one from Russia was $50) but there is no assurance that you could ship back that cheaply. You'd have too check with the various shippers (USPS, DHL, etc.) If you don't anticipate a need to return, you might not worry too much about this...
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Re: OK, if cimbassos are suppose to be such pieces of junk,

Postby Donn » Thu Jul 06, 2017 3:19 pm

The way I see it, whether it was you who bought it yesterday or not, either way it doesn't really matter much - what will be will be. Sure looks good!
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Re: OK, if cimbassos are suppose to be such pieces of junk,

Postby barry grrr-ero » Thu Jul 06, 2017 3:32 pm

I wasn't sure. Does "beendet" mean that it sold, or just that the timed session is over with. I know that "gebraucht" means used.
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Re: OK, if cimbassos are suppose to be such pieces of junk,

Postby Donn » Thu Jul 06, 2017 4:08 pm

Well, I don't know really, maybe it wouldn't have said "beendet" if it had sold - through ebay that is. But between that and "Versand nach: Deutschland", maybe this one is going to be more about pictures to enjoy.
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Re: OK, if cimbassos are suppose to be such pieces of junk,

Postby thevillagetuba » Thu Jul 06, 2017 4:41 pm

The seller listed that he was not willing to ship to the US, regardless. If I had the money, I'd be sending that to my relatives and having them ship it over to me (yes, I thought it out as I'd really like one of those and was daydreaming that I had the extra dough lying around).
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Re: OK, if cimbassos are suppose to be such pieces of junk,

Postby bloke » Thu Jul 06, 2017 6:10 pm

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Re: OK, if cimbassos are suppose to be such pieces of junk,

Postby barry grrr-ero » Fri Jul 07, 2017 4:58 am

gee Bloke, thanks for leaving me in a lurch.
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Re: OK, if cimbassos are suppose to be such pieces of junk,

Postby Mark » Fri Jul 07, 2017 10:49 am

bloke wrote:I will reemphasize that the Rudy copy that Tom is willing to order is very easy to play in tune (minor #1 slide trigger movements).


What fingering are you using for the A three lines below the staff?
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Re: OK, if cimbassos are suppose to be such pieces of junk,

Postby bloke » Fri Jul 07, 2017 11:07 am

Mark wrote:
bloke wrote:I will reemphasize that the Rudy copy that Tom is willing to order is very easy to play in tune (minor #1 slide trigger movements).


What fingering are you using for the A three lines below the staff?


That's the only problem for which I have no real solution: I lip like crazy.
This is the same "math problem" that I've discussed here over-and-over with all only-5-valves tubas...and people (openly, or - I would suppose, behind their computer screens) pooh-pooh me and imply (or think to themselves) that I must think I can hear the grass grow (etc.)
- F tubas' low ranges are several steps higher than CC/BBb tubas' low ranges...so "crappy intonation" in the equivalent range is more noticeable.
- Cylindrical instruments are more difficult to "lip" than conical instruments. Trombone players have an obvious mechanical solution. Valved cylindrical instruments...not so much.
- The apparently is a 6-valve version of the Jinbao cimbasso offered by one importer, but (at least, I believe that I see in pictures)
>> There is no (needed) #1 slide trigger, and
>> It is still (yes?) going to feature the same grade of rotors and linkage.
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Re: OK, if cimbassos are suppose to be such pieces of junk,

Postby Mark Finley » Fri Jul 07, 2017 11:20 am

I"m curious.... The low A on a F cimbasso, is it sharp or flat? I've never seen a non compensating horn where 234 isn't a great fingering for that note (Major 3rd above above the fundamental)
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Re: OK, if cimbassos are suppose to be such pieces of junk,

Postby Mark » Fri Jul 07, 2017 11:34 am

bloke wrote:
Mark wrote:What fingering are you using for the A three lines below the staff?


That's the only problem for which I have no real solution: I lip like crazy.


Me too.
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Re: OK, if cimbassos are suppose to be such pieces of junk,

Postby bloke » Fri Jul 07, 2017 12:45 pm

2-3-4 is nearly always a flat combination.
With many contrabass tubas if that pitch (E - C tuba, or D - BBb tuba) is played loudly, the pitch will creep up to "about in tune".
With my F tuba, 2-3-4 is flat for low A, and 5-6-4 is slightly sharp. I play it 5-6-4 and trigger the 5th valve slide a bit less than an inch (probably 1-1/2" of tubing added to the circuit).

Play the same pitch (on most any tuba) an octave higher with 2-3-4, and watch your tuner.
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Re: OK, if cimbassos are suppose to be such pieces of junk,

Postby Mark Finley » Fri Jul 07, 2017 12:53 pm

If 234 is flat, where is 245?
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Re: OK, if cimbassos are suppose to be such pieces of junk,

Postby bloke » Fri Jul 07, 2017 1:02 pm

58mark wrote:If 234 is flat, where is 245?


Quite sharp. Realize that a 6th valve, typically, is a "long 2nd valve"...so (as 5-6-4) is already barely sharp (my last post), 5-2-4 is going to be quite sharp.

For REALLY good pitch throughout the entire range of a tuba, these two things should be in place:

- extraordinarily in-tune overtone series (plural)
- six valves

Even the (seemingly discontinued) Meinl-Weston model 2155 (some editions of which are the most in-tune CC tubas I've ever played) is flat on the 2-3-4 low E.
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