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Re: no fiberglass sousaphones in marching bands anymore

Postby Voisi1ev » Sun Aug 06, 2017 6:18 pm

bloke wrote:
For quite a few years, band directors demand SEEEILVUR sousaphones :| , which - again - after a few years, are gray, black, and brown sousaphones with some epic dents (in expensive-to-repair areas) and many other poorly-repaired dents.



Can confirm, band teacher here who wanted SEEEILVER brass instruments.....10 years later they have nice silver/black/brown camo pattern. Not bad on dents though, my kids take care of stuff pretty well..expect the mellophones....
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Re: no fiberglass sousaphones in marching bands anymore

Postby bloke » Sun Aug 06, 2017 8:02 pm

epoxy clear lacquer - an amazing invention. Take advantage of technology.

For my own use (when I purchase "modern" instruments), I tend to be attracted to clear epoxy lacquer. No instrument is assembled perfectly. I can heat/move/disassemble things, put them just where they belong, and do all of this without ruining a silver finish (silver: which cannot be effectively "touched up").
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Re: no fiberglass sousaphones in marching bands anymore

Postby Three Valves » Mon Aug 07, 2017 8:08 am

bloke wrote:It's just not that difficult to repaint the bodies and bells...and today, there are some aerosol paints (if chosen carefully) which hold up for years and years.


Can you paint them silver??
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Re: no fiberglass sousaphones in marching bands anymore

Postby joh_tuba » Mon Aug 07, 2017 10:45 am

Three Valves wrote:
bloke wrote:It's just not that difficult to repaint the bodies and bells...and today, there are some aerosol paints (if chosen carefully) which hold up for years and years.


Can you paint them silver??


The Air Force band in DC years ago(maybe still) had a set of fiberglass sousaphones with silver plated valve sections and the body painted at an autobody shop to look like satin silver from five feet away.

I can't help but think a savvy band director could save funds by ordering this Jupiter:
http://www.wwbw.com/Jupiter-JSP1010-Qualifier-Series-Fiberbrass-BBb-Sousaphone-J36173.wwbw
Silver bell and valve section.. fiberglass body. Spray paint the body titanium silver.
http://www.rustoleum.com/product-catalog/consumer-brands/universal/universal-metallic-spray-paint/

It would probably look good and sound fine enough for what it was used for and for the institutions that only buy new will save several grand per instrument.
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Re: no fiberglass sousaphones in marching bands anymore

Postby Donn » Mon Aug 07, 2017 11:35 am

This is just a matter of taste, and everyone's is different, but for me, silver paint is fake in a way that looks extra cheap. The resemblance is more to silver finish on a sandblasted surface, isn't it? Not so much like common new silver finish today.

The best thing for paint is to avoid visible paint damage. Either by bonding the color to the material, or using a similar color to the material so chips and scratches aren't conspicuous.
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Re: no fiberglass sousaphones in marching bands anymore

Postby bloke » Mon Aug 07, 2017 12:00 pm

Some silver paints look a whole lot like a satin finish, as Donn points out.

The problem is the need to clear coat for protection/durability, which nixes that appearance, and (as Donn points out) makes it look different.

A painted-silver sousaphone, though, can look as good as a painted-silver car.

None of our tastes are the same, but I think a very dark-blue well-painted fiberglass body (satin paint: not flat / not gloss) might look good against a CHROME-plated (as with the early corps bugles) valveset...and would low-maintenance.
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Re: no fiberglass sousaphones in marching bands anymore

Postby Three Valves » Mon Aug 07, 2017 12:18 pm

bloke wrote:

None of our tastes are the same, but I....


...am happy mine happens to be fake and EXTRA cheap!!

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Re: no fiberglass sousaphones in marching bands anymore

Postby bloke » Mon Aug 07, 2017 1:24 pm

As to sousaphones I've kept for my own use, I don't believe I've ever paid more than $100...
I think my fiberglass 36K (body harvested) was given to me, and I paid $100 for the 40K (valve section harvested) because the 5th branch was totally rotten.
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Re: no fiberglass sousaphones in marching bands anymore

Postby Donn » Mon Aug 07, 2017 1:43 pm

bloke wrote:None of our tastes are the same, but I think a very dark-blue well-painted fiberglass body (satin paint: not flat / not gloss) might look good against a CHROME-plated (as with the early corps bugles) valveset.


I'd go along with that. Do you dislike high gloss finish per se, or is it a durability/maintenance issue?
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Re: no fiberglass sousaphones in marching bands anymore

Postby Three Valves » Mon Aug 07, 2017 2:25 pm

Donn wrote:
bloke wrote:None of our tastes are the same, but I think a very dark-blue well-painted fiberglass body (satin paint: not flat / not gloss) might look good against a CHROME-plated (as with the early corps bugles) valveset.


I'd go along with that. Do you dislike high gloss finish per se, or is it a durability/maintenance issue?


Hi Gloss = Hi Class!!

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Re: no fiberglass sousaphones in marching bands anymore

Postby flamingo19518 » Mon Aug 07, 2017 3:09 pm

I guess one of the reasons is that they will shatter when below freezing and bumped, dropped or tripped over. I saw it first hand in the Macy's day parade. The band lined up behind us had it happen. Luckily, the US Army band had an extra brass one.
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Re: no fiberglass sousaphones in marching bands anymore

Postby bloke » Mon Aug 07, 2017 10:20 pm

Donn wrote:
bloke wrote:None of our tastes are the same, but I think a very dark-blue well-painted fiberglass body (satin paint: not flat / not gloss) might look good against a CHROME-plated (as with the early corps bugles) valveset.


I'd go along with that. Do you dislike high gloss finish per se, or is it a durability/maintenance issue?


Various colors don't appeal to everyone (again, tastes), so I'm just trying to think of something that isn't stark-white, isn't stark black, and is understated.
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Re: no fiberglass sousaphones in marching bands anymore

Postby TUbajohn20J » Wed Aug 09, 2017 2:13 am

Three Valves wrote:
Hi Gloss = Hi Class!!

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Now that's an idea. You could wrap a fiberglass sousa in a glossy chrome vinyl wrap and it would look bright silver! Wonder if anyone has vinyl wrapped a Sousa before?
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Re: no fiberglass sousaphones in marching bands anymore

Postby TUbajohn20J » Wed Aug 09, 2017 2:16 am

Since Conn selmer no longer makes fiberglass anymore I guess I need to actually get that 22K I've been wanting for years. You know since Conn fiberglass sousas are rare and vintage and all as of now.
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Re: no fiberglass sousaphones in marching bands anymore

Postby Three Valves » Wed Aug 09, 2017 7:57 am

TUbajohn20J wrote:
Now that's an idea. You could wrap a fiberglass sousa in a glossy chrome vinyl wrap and it would look bright silver! Wonder if anyone has vinyl wrapped a Sousa before?


Plasti-dip... 8)
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Re: no fiberglass sousaphones in marching bands anymore

Postby bloke » Wed Aug 09, 2017 8:37 pm

Some paints and lacquers contain such fine (tiny) bits of metallic material, that they actually imitate the look of highly-polished metal.

Nikolas (the manufacturer of the first-choice air-dry metal lacquer for the band instrument industry), offers some lacquer that looks just like chrome plating...
durability...?? uhh... I dunno...

here: http://www.finish1.com/pdf/GJN-446-SprayClad-Sell-Sheet.pdf
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Re: no fiberglass sousaphones in marching bands anymore

Postby Three Valves » Thu Aug 10, 2017 7:49 am

I should have been a trucker.

I just love shiny stuff and lights.

It's just like Christmas every night!!
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Re: no fiberglass sousaphones in marching bands anymore

Postby bloke » Thu Aug 10, 2017 10:11 am

Three Valves wrote:I should have been a trucker.

I just love shiny stuff and lights.

It's just like Christmas every night!!


...and a big ol' stack o' Taylor Swift c.d.'s right there to play again-and-again...
...not to mention your own exclusive section in truck stops. :mrgreen:
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Re: no fiberglass sousaphones in marching bands anymore

Postby toobagrowl » Thu Aug 10, 2017 8:03 pm

YA Know, I've been thinking about spray painting my Selmer Signet frosted silver with a bright silver or chrome interior bell. That would be another "project" though.
I know Nikolas is supposed to be the best lacquer, but I'm cheap. :mrgreen: So when I'm in the mood and have time for a project, I'll buy the stuff from a local store and paint the sousa.
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Re: no fiberglass sousaphones in marching bands anymore

Postby bloke » Thu Aug 10, 2017 8:13 pm

I feel certain that the 4th partial would respond much better, were these instruments fabricated of carbon-fiber, rather than fiberglass.
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