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Postby Masterfoemper » Thu Aug 10, 2017 8:16 am

Hi there, My name is Cobus and i'm new on the Board.
I found a nice horn, but i'm not sure of the Manufacturer.
The body is exactly Conn-isch build like in the Elkhart Era.
A couple of bracings are missing or not placed at all, Perhaps for Weight reduction.
The 5 digit serialnr. doesn't make any sence to me at all.
I think that the body is an elkhart post 14K model, the bell engraving saying it is from Grand rapids looks like a mismatch to me.
Thanks in advance for the help!

PS. The strange kinked bracing on the first picture is Pan American styled.

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Conn 20K 1952 SP
Conn 20K 1937 Satin
Conn 20K 1955 GP
Conn 20K 1955 Satin
Conn ?? K 194? Satin
Holton 122 1954 SP
The Martin 1958 GP
King 2350 1975 SP
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Re: Please help identify this souzy

Postby windshieldbug » Thu Aug 10, 2017 9:01 am

From Horn-u-Copia:

"Nick Hager was a dealer who contracted with other makers to have instruments made with his name on the logo (one of which was York), which were primarily made for the school sale trade."
Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit. Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad.
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Re: Please help identify this souzy

Postby KiltieTuba » Thu Aug 10, 2017 9:02 am

Given that it's out of Grabd Rapids, MI, and the eagle on top of the shield, it's highly probable that it's a York or USA Line stencil.
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Re: Please help identify this souzy

Postby Masterfoemper » Thu Aug 10, 2017 11:33 am

Like i said i think the bell and body are not matching.
This is not a typical York config is it,
My buddy's 14 k is like a twin brother to this Horn :?
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Conn 20K 1952 SP
Conn 20K 1937 Satin
Conn 20K 1955 GP
Conn 20K 1955 Satin
Conn ?? K 194? Satin
Holton 122 1954 SP
The Martin 1958 GP
King 2350 1975 SP
Miraphone model 86
Conn Helleberg
Loud LM 12
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Re: Please help identify this souzy

Postby lost » Thu Aug 10, 2017 11:42 am

I agree it looks conn. But the tenon joints look buescher so it might be a buescher stencil conn .
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Re: Please help identify this souzy

Postby KiltieTuba » Thu Aug 10, 2017 6:33 pm

Masterfoemper wrote:Like i said i think the bell and body are not matching.
This is not a typical York config is it,
My buddy's 14 k is like a twin brother to this Horn :?


It's a sousaphone.

You get a couple options:
King style - main tuning slide before the valve block
Conn style - main tuning slide after the valve block
Holton/Buescher style - main tuning slide before the valve block that sort of wraps around the valve block.
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Re: Please help identify this souzy

Postby roweenie » Thu Aug 10, 2017 7:31 pm

I'm no expert on sousaphones, but the braces and ferrules look like Conn, especially the unusual cone-shaped brace feet, between the mouthpipe and 2nd valve loop.
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Re: Please help identify this souzy

Postby imperialbari » Fri Aug 11, 2017 12:24 am

I have tried manipulating the photo of the engraving, but there still are letters that my eyes don’t get. A full transcript would be nice.

With Conn sousaphones I never saw a stay in the loop entering the main circle.

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Re: Please help identify this souzy

Postby Masterfoemper » Fri Aug 11, 2017 4:18 am

imperialbari wrote:I have tried manipulating the photo of the engraving, but there still are letters that my eyes don’t get. A full transcript would be nice.

With Conn sousaphones I never saw a stay in the loop entering the main circle.

Klaus


Hello Klaus,
The engraving says:
Hager Musical
instrument co
Grand Rapids
Mich
USA
But again i dont think the bell matches with the body.

For the different bracing.
I've seen this extra support on the Pan american.
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Conn 20K 1952 SP
Conn 20K 1937 Satin
Conn 20K 1955 GP
Conn 20K 1955 Satin
Conn ?? K 194? Satin
Holton 122 1954 SP
The Martin 1958 GP
King 2350 1975 SP
Miraphone model 86
Conn Helleberg
Loud LM 12
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Re: Please help identify this souzy

Postby Masterfoemper » Fri Aug 11, 2017 4:59 am

roweenie wrote:I'm no expert on sousaphones, but the braces and ferrules look like Conn, especially the unusual cone-shaped brace feet, between the mouthpipe and 2nd valve loop.


That's what i think too, thankx.
Conn 20K 1952 SP
Conn 20K 1937 Satin
Conn 20K 1955 GP
Conn 20K 1955 Satin
Conn ?? K 194? Satin
Holton 122 1954 SP
The Martin 1958 GP
King 2350 1975 SP
Miraphone model 86
Conn Helleberg
Loud LM 12
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