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Please help identify this souzy

Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2017 8:16 am
by Masterfoemper
Hi there, My name is Cobus and i'm new on the Board.
I found a nice horn, but i'm not sure of the Manufacturer.
The body is exactly Conn-isch build like in the Elkhart Era.
A couple of bracings are missing or not placed at all, Perhaps for Weight reduction.
The 5 digit serialnr. doesn't make any sence to me at all.
I think that the body is an elkhart post 14K model, the bell engraving saying it is from Grand rapids looks like a mismatch to me.
Thanks in advance for the help!

PS. The strange kinked bracing on the first picture is Pan American styled.

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Re: Please help identify this souzy

Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2017 9:01 am
by windshieldbug
From Horn-u-Copia:

"Nick Hager was a dealer who contracted with other makers to have instruments made with his name on the logo (one of which was York), which were primarily made for the school sale trade."

Re: Please help identify this souzy

Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2017 11:33 am
by Masterfoemper
Like i said i think the bell and body are not matching.
This is not a typical York config is it,
My buddy's 14 k is like a twin brother to this Horn :?

Re: Please help identify this souzy

Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2017 7:31 pm
by roweenie
I'm no expert on sousaphones, but the braces and ferrules look like Conn, especially the unusual cone-shaped brace feet, between the mouthpipe and 2nd valve loop.

Re: Please help identify this souzy

Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 12:24 am
by imperialbari
I have tried manipulating the photo of the engraving, but there still are letters that my eyes don’t get. A full transcript would be nice.

With Conn sousaphones I never saw a stay in the loop entering the main circle.

Klaus

Re: Please help identify this souzy

Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 4:18 am
by Masterfoemper
imperialbari wrote:I have tried manipulating the photo of the engraving, but there still are letters that my eyes don’t get. A full transcript would be nice.

With Conn sousaphones I never saw a stay in the loop entering the main circle.

Klaus
Hello Klaus,
The engraving says:
Hager Musical
instrument co
Grand Rapids
Mich
USA
But again i dont think the bell matches with the body.

For the different bracing.
I've seen this extra support on the Pan american.

Re: Please help identify this souzy

Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 4:59 am
by Masterfoemper
roweenie wrote:I'm no expert on sousaphones, but the braces and ferrules look like Conn, especially the unusual cone-shaped brace feet, between the mouthpipe and 2nd valve loop.
That's what i think too, thankx.