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Re: Cronkhite Gig Bags

Postby Rick F » Fri Aug 25, 2017 8:13 am

To Steve Kriesel. Thanks for clarifying. Good to hear that Glenn Cronkhite bags are continuing with good quality manufacturing.
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Re: Cronkhite Gig Bags

Postby roweenie » Fri Aug 25, 2017 9:49 am

Rick F wrote:To Steve Kriesel. Thanks for clarifying. Good to hear that Glenn Cronkhite bags are continuing with good quality manufacturing.


My sentiments exactly - thank you.

I own several Cronkhite cases, and hope to own more in the future.
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Re: Cronkhite Gig Bags

Postby the elephant » Fri Aug 25, 2017 10:16 am

Steve Kriesel:

So, just to be 100% clear, what material are you using on the TUBA bags on the lower strap where the metal loop normally lives? (Not asking about a clip like on the euph bag, but the loop stitched to the bag body that the strap slides through when you adjust its length.)

Will these loops be plastic or the same material used by Cronkhite in the past? That is my personal concern.
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Re: Cronkhite Gig Bags

Postby bort » Fri Aug 25, 2017 12:54 pm

Thanks for the tour info, Steve -- not something I can do right away, just interested in general. Would love to see how it all comes together!
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Re: Cronkhite Gig Bags

Postby GlennCronkhite.com » Fri Aug 25, 2017 3:05 pm

BrooklynBass wrote:My question is: how does one CLEAN one of these bags. Mine is Cordura and is starting to get stanky.


Glenn used a Cordura clone, we will use only US made - DuPont branded Cordura once we get through his rolls (partial rolls, one of each color, won't take long). His cases "out there" should be urethane coated, so at least the outside can be cleaned with a wet cloth or even a slightly soapy wet cloth. I'm sure most of you have had rain fall on your bags with no problems -- that's what the urethane undercoat does if it is applied well (Taiwan, Germany, USA sources). It can peel off over time if the Cordura knockoff is China-sourced. I learned this the hard way in 2007.

If the foam got stanky, then we'd need to overhaul it and get you a new lining. We have some general pricing for that here:

http://glenncronkhite.com/contact-us-2/repair-services/

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Re: Cronkhite Gig Bags

Postby GlennCronkhite.com » Fri Aug 25, 2017 3:11 pm

the elephant wrote:Steve Kriesel:

So, just to be 100% clear, what material are you using on the TUBA bags on the lower strap where the metal loop normally lives? (Not asking about a clip like on the euph bag, but the loop stitched to the bag body that the strap slides through when you adjust its length.)


Metal, sourced from Glenn. We have a huge bag of them, and I have found a re-supplier when needed. It's called a "single slider."

Those won't suffer from metal fatigue like a clip would, because of how the weight is distributed across the 2" width.
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Re: Cronkhite Gig Bags

Postby Mark Finley » Fri Aug 25, 2017 3:20 pm

That's great Steve

Hey, I sent you a Private message, please check it and let me know what you think
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Re: Cronkhite Gig Bags

Postby the elephant » Fri Aug 25, 2017 3:45 pm

GlennCronkhite.com wrote:
the elephant wrote:Steve Kriesel:

So, just to be 100% clear, what material are you using on the TUBA bags on the lower strap where the metal loop normally lives? (Not asking about a clip like on the euph bag, but the loop stitched to the bag body that the strap slides through when you adjust its length.)


Metal, sourced from Glenn. We have a huge bag of them, and I have found a re-supplier when needed. It's called a "single slider."

Those won't suffer from metal fatigue like a clip would, because of how the weight is distributed across the 2" width.


Thanks very much for the quick and direct answer. So essentially zero changes to the straps, which is wonderful news, indeed! I will be saving up for one this Christmas.

I just read that you can repair his old cases. That is fantastic. I have one with a strap that has begun to tear away and the zipper is toast. I read your price list and will go this route, I think.

All my fears have been dispelled. Thank you, sir.
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Re: Cronkhite Gig Bags

Postby EMC » Sun Aug 27, 2017 7:36 pm

the elephant wrote:There was a photo of a bag with plastic strap hardware. I cannot remember whether it was a tuba or euph bag, but I *think* it was for a euph. If the tuba bags have these I would no longer recommend them. The straps were one of the very best selling features of Cronkhite bags, and to alter them to save a buck is a bad idea by people who have never had one of these break and seen their tuba bell CRUSHED under its own weight by flipping backwards off a shoulder and falling about eight feet onto pavement. These straps need to be able to hold the tuba and all the stuff in the bag for decades using ONE STRAP ONLY without the slightest risk of failure. I personally HAVE had a plastic part fail and my horn sustained a lot of very bad damage. My angry phone call to Irving Berg was the main reason (if not the only one) that H&B Tuxedo bags have had all metal strap hardware since about 1994 or so. He was a great guy once we came to an understanding. He paid for the tuba repair by a top drawer tech including shipping there and back, he also sent me a brand new bag with the improved hardware.

The materials and technology used in making these plastic loops and turnbuckles and such is pretty much the same as it has been for decades. No improvement, no changes, just advertising.

Now, if the tuba bags are truly unchanged then I will be ordering one fairly soon for my rare Kurath F tuba. Otherwise I will get one of the blue Miraphone bag, again, for the quality of the straps and the padding more than any other reasons.

Caveat emptor: we need to *see* an actual example of the tuba bags as produced by this new owner. I am hopeful that this will not be an issue, but that photo in that older TN thread clearly showing plastic hardware on the straps gave me and several other pause. I do not have an issue with these on a euph bag, though, as they are more than strong enough for such a weight, but again, the tuba bag straps must be safe for large horns using only one strap for many years. Cronkhite had his dialed in perfectly. I hope these were 100% unchanged.

I have been a huge evangelist for leather Cronkhite bags since I got my first one in 2002 when I dumped Dolly bags for good. I have owned four of them and would like to buy two more, in leather if that is an option. I *really* like these bags. Just waiting on someone to confirm what material the strap hardware will be. A visit to the link posted above does not clear this up. The bulleted point simply states:

• The finest metal and delrin hardware.

A written assurance that no delrin will be used in the straps would go a long way with me and like-minded, long-term customers...


You mentioned you have a kurath f tuba, would you mind Sending me a picture? Does it have a "4" stamped on the inside of the bell
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Re: Cronkhite Gig Bags

Postby the elephant » Sun Aug 27, 2017 7:43 pm

Where in the bell would that be? That is a lot of metal to search for a little, stamped number...

By the way, mine is raw brass, not silver, and is marked KURATH with NO mention of Perantucci anywhere. It was made in 1989, I think. I have to check the SN again, but I believe it starts with "089" — not sure.

Why?
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Re: Cronkhite Gig Bags

Postby GlennCronkhite.com » Wed Sep 13, 2017 10:50 pm

The mention of "The finest metal and delrin hardware," was a copy / paste from the trumpet bags description. We were in a hurry creating the website, and most of the descriptions are the same -- literally the only edits we took the time to do was with the pricing and SKUs. Once that was done ... move on to the next product.

The tuba bags, from Glenn's sample, do not have any delrin hardware that I can think of (I'm at home). At any rate, we're just copying his sample using his raw materials -- what was there will be there.

And I'll be trying to customize each product description, maybe one per day, to eliminate any confusion. Sorry about that. We're also in the process of adding the entire sax line to 3 websites, the entire OEM harp line to 3 websites, etc. There's a lot to do, and this just scratches the surface of my work load.

On the positive side, we've received about 10 tuba bag orders, and they are almost in line to be made (1 week for the first few?). There should be some feedback on here soon. The current wait is 3-4 weeks, but I fear that's going to get longer.

We also bought 4 new heavy duty sewing machines, and they are much better for the job at hand than what Glenn's guy used. They came in and were set up over the last 2 weeks. Side by side between the Glenn-made samples and our recent ones, the foot on Glenn's guy's machine left marks, while ours does not -- that's the better machine with the 30mm lift. We just got the 2nd double needle machine going today, so the .25" wide parallel seam lines along the main zippers will actually be parallel every time. Glenn's guy did not use one of these, so there are two improvements just from the new heavy machinery. We've always had a bunch of leather machines, but the new ones are beasts, and make the work much easier.

I know -- photos -- give it another week or so and I'll be able to show some of them here: http://glenncronkhite.com/product-category/tubabags/" target="_blank" target="_blank

And Tuba man Steve Skov was in today! An old friend of mine from college if any of you know him. He's got one on order, so I bought lunch. :)

Take care, y'all, and wish us luck in this new endeavor!
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Re: Cronkhite Gig Bags

Postby Heavy_Metal » Thu Sep 14, 2017 12:48 am

I'll be ordering at least one soon. Are you still using the measurement sheets Glenn distributed before?
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Re: Cronkhite Gig Bags

Postby WagnerRing » Fri Sep 15, 2017 1:27 pm

Thanks for the updates on Cronkhite tuba bags. I'm very pleased that these will continue with very high standards. I'm ordering one soon!
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Re: Cronkhite Gig Bags

Postby rodmathews » Sun Sep 17, 2017 1:08 am

I ordered a leather bag a few weeks ago and should be in this first batch. I own two other Cronkhite bags, and will post some first impressions when I get the new one. I can't wait to see it after reading about the new sewing machines and tools. Should be a great bag.
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Re: Cronkhite Gig Bags

Postby roughrider » Wed Sep 20, 2017 1:49 am

Do I need one? No! Do I want one, Absolutely!
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Re: Cronkhite Gig Bags

Postby big_benthomson » Mon Oct 02, 2017 8:16 am

Any news/photos on the post-Cronkhite bags yet?
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Re: Cronkhite Gig Bags

Postby rodmathews » Tue Nov 14, 2017 8:09 pm

My new bag arrived over the weekend, and it is fantastic. I ordered a Chocolate Brown leather bag for a Miraphone 186 CC, and the bag fits the horn perfectly. The leather is very high quality and is a beautiful color.

I got several emails along the way from the folks at Torpedo including the president of the company Steve Kriesel. They are really focused on making these to the highest standard, and delayed shipping mine because the foam they had been planning to use for the bags wasn't dense enough. They switched to a high density / high resiliency medical foam that seems to be denser than what is in my older Cronkhite bags. I think the two older bags I have are great, and this new one seems like it will protect the horn even better.

The workmanship is excellent - stitching looks great, the rivets are brass like the previous model, and the hardware on the straps is similar and high quality. The back straps are attached pretty much exactly like the older bags, and are very sturdy. The zipper is high quality and works well.

I'll post some pictures when I get a chance, but I just wanted to let everyone know these great bags are available again and are built to the same quality levels we enjoyed from Glenn for many years.
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Re: Cronkhite Gig Bags

Postby rodmathews » Tue Nov 14, 2017 8:12 pm

I just noticed they put up some pictures here: http://glenncronkhite.com/product/large-tuba-bag/

These are exactly representative of the bag I just received. As you will see, they have built these to last.
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Re: Cronkhite Gig Bags

Postby roughrider » Wed Nov 15, 2017 1:06 am

Thank you for posting the pictures. The bag look fantastic!
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Re: Cronkhite Gig Bags

Postby Oldschooltuba » Wed Nov 15, 2017 6:25 am

A friend of mine in the DFW area just got his bad. Black leather. Workmanship and look is fantastic. Fit is perfect too.
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