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What does your electrobrass rig look look like?

Postby tubaphillips » Thu Aug 31, 2017 9:54 am

This thread is for posting pics and/or descriptions of your electrobrass rig. After a few years of experimentation my current setup is as follows.

SM98Wireless->BOSS GT-6B->Eventide mixing link->TC BG250

I'd be happy to answer any questions about my rig if you're interested
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Re: What does your electrobrass rig look look like?

Postby Ben » Sat Sep 02, 2017 4:18 pm

I am DEEP in the experimentation stage. Here are some of my previous experiences:

1. In the '90s in college, I used a Barcus-Barry transducer mic drilled into my mouthpiece with preamp. This system picked up a bunch of valve clanking, and feedback was very bad when I wasn't performing with it. It lasted exactly 1 recital.

2. 10+ years ago I used an AT-35pro - clip on condenser mic: It had great sound, but had a directionality issue, as a quick tug on the mic cable could pull the microphone out optimal setup. I also tried this with a wireless setup, but the tech at the time had mediocre sound sound quality compared to the 35-pro. This is the setup I used years while performing with 3 bands in Indianapolis... The Tumbleweeds, Born Again Floozies, and Accidental Arrangements.

3. Recently, in NYC, I realized that performing on stage can be a challenge - not only due to the direction issue with the 35pro, but also dealing with multiple soundmen can be a challenge. Many don't quite understand how to address feedback issues, and end up just turning the tuba down, even if the problem isn't tuba related. Additionally, I began to get want to add other capabilities to my performance capabilities: volume control, octave doubling, even *gasp* overdrive distortion.

4. Current gear thoughts:
I own many microphones:
SM58 (great and low tech entry level stuff, has a bit of roll off in the low end.
Rode NT-2: large diaphram mic that is way to nice to bring out on gigs.
EV-RE20 -large diaphram dynamic mic. The sound is slightly better with the EV, and works amazing. I mount it to the horn with a Shu-composite mount. It inserts fairly deep, as it is a long microphone, and it is just great.

Preamp: Presonus Studiochanel - this is a rack mounted tube preamp, compressor, and parametric EQ in one. The compression helps even out the highs and lows in the sound, and the paraEQ can quickly address any runaway feedback caused by effects. For me, overdrive has a 105 Hz feedback loop. -3 to -6 dB fixes the issue.

Effects: I own 2 effects: a TC-electronics VoiceLive Touch2, and a Boss ME-20B. The VLT2 is a loop device with harmony function and a bunch of other really cool stuff. It has 1/4" and XLR inputs, but certain functions only work with XLR inputs, and its native EQ/compression needs to be turned off, as it is designed for voice. I use a stereo output from this device, a lead, and an FX send that I blend with a Boss LS-2 (2 channel mixer). The lead channel I send into the Boss ME-20B - with a volume/wah pedal with 8vb, overdrive/synth effect, and numerous delay effects. The Boss LS-2 is great to mix the two effects pedals, as some effects lack a nice wet/dry mix.

Amp: I had a few discussions with many fellow amped tubists. TubaJoe Exley gave some great advice to me, and I got a Gaillen-Krueger MB150/112S combo amp. Its small, light, sounds great, has versitle EQ, and a DI out. I hand off the DI to the soundman, and I have the peace of mind to adjust my own sound.

Power: I chose to get a Furman PL-Plus-C rack mounted power conditioner. I does a few things besides being a glorified surge protector/powerstrip. It removes line noise, transformer hum from powersources, and it regulates the input voltage to 120V. I can absolutely say that there is a difference without it in my NYC apartment. The power around here is NOISY.

That's about it. I am still experimenting with this setup. I feel that there is better "stuff" out there I could have employed... more up to date effects, loopers... I was tempted to go full out rack effects. It depends on your needs.

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Re: What does your electrobrass rig look look like?

Postby Ben » Tue Sep 05, 2017 2:04 pm

Update: That diagram did not work terribly well... Here's a new schematic:

Tuba-->Mic-XLR-->Presonus 1/4out-->LS2 (A) thru-->Boss ME20B-->LS2 (B) Output 1/4"-->

the above gives me 90% of what I could ever want - using the LS2 as a wet/dry mixer, its output can 1 - go to AMP. Alternatively: 2- goto Voicelive Touch via use of a DI transformer - either highZ into the guitar in line, or into the microphone port. One could go total rogue, loop their bass tracks, and sing songs all night in one configuration of the VLT2, using 2 microphones.

That's the plan at least. Materials, and extra cables are on the way to test it out.
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Re: What does your electrobrass rig look look like?

Postby JDijkstra » Fri Sep 08, 2017 11:04 am

Hello,

During the summer I haven been experimenting with my old Mahillon 3+1 euphonium, a cheap cond. mic and my collection of pedals:
A Vox dynamic looper, an EHX 22500 looping pedal, a Boss Harmonist PS6, an EHX pitchfork and an EHX memory boy.
I have not found the ideal order but it gives me a lot of combinations. A PiezoBarrel is on my to-buy-list.

Greetings from the Netherlands, Jan Dijkstra
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Re: What does your electrobrass rig look look like?

Postby JDijkstra » Thu Sep 14, 2017 5:40 am

Found a small cheap tuba, a samson s-phantom for my condensator mic an ordered a PiezoBarrel Brass from down under.......
This tuba: http://forums.chisham.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=83807.
I am still experimenting with the pitchfork and the harmonist.

Tuba > mic > s-phantom > vox dynamic looper > pitchfork or harmonist > EHX 22500 looper > amp

At the moment I use an older peavey TKO 80 (loud and heavey), looking for something smaller, any suggestions?
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Re: What does your electrobrass rig look look like?

Postby Ben » Fri Sep 15, 2017 1:52 pm

I like my GK, its less than 30 lbs. It really depends on if you want to go cabinet and head, or combo.

Here are the pros for the GK I mentioned above:
small, light, rugged, can drive cabinets if necessary, line out capacity, DI out capacity, versatile tone control. There are a ton of good options out there. The price on my amp runs about 800.
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Re: What does your electrobrass rig look look like?

Postby Ben » Fri Sep 15, 2017 1:57 pm

Additional info:

Tuba>EV-RE20>Presonus Studiochanel>Options:

A) using wet dry mixing: LS2(mix mode for dry sound/effect loop to Boss ME-20B)>GK Amp
B) more volume control, no synthbass sound: Boss ME-20B>GK Amp
C) A/B and take output from effect>XLR converter>Passive DI for Hi-Z>Instrument in on Voice Live Touch2(vocal mic also attached)>GK Amp
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Re: What does your electrobrass rig look look like?

Postby JDijkstra » Sun Sep 17, 2017 8:40 am

Thanks, I used to have one the G&K combo's for my EUB.
Used a bicycle to go sessions and gigs with the G&K.....
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