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Re: Deep Voodoo/Deep Doodoo

Postby peterbas » Thu Sep 14, 2017 3:55 am

Maybe we could all chip in to buy a BIAS system for Bloke so he could do some experiments with his mouthpieces.

http://collections.nmmusd.org/UtleyPages/Utleyfaq/BIAS/BIASArticle.html
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Re: Deep Voodoo/Deep Doodoo

Postby peterbas » Thu Sep 14, 2017 4:29 am

http://iwk.mdw.ac.at/?page_id=86&sprache=2

Here some results for trumpet mouthpieces for different shapes.
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Re: Deep Voodoo/Deep Doodoo

Postby proam » Thu Sep 14, 2017 11:13 pm

the elephant wrote:I call "gap theory" persistent bovine feces, just like much of Dave Monette's ideas about mouthpieces. Garbage. Say what you will, if you step back and really think of these things you see they are bunk. Parts need to fit perfectly, and introducing a gap is interference in the air stream. There should be NO gap, ever, IMHO. Just sayin'... ;-)

Yes, my inclination was the same as yours, that it is all poppycock. But I am a believer in the trumpet maker Cliff Blackburn (I have a few of his horns) and he believes in the gap so I am find myself forced to admit that there must be something to it. The idea is to have controlled resistance at certain points in the air flow. Not all resistance is bad, according to believers.

(Aside: there was someone who advocated slightly misaligned valves as being preferable to aligned valves. Don't know how many people he convinced but it was the same idea of planned resistance at certain points can be good.)

My flugelhorn does not use a receiver so there is no gap. Many (most?) flugelhorns have no gap.

Schilke made his mouthpieces and receivers so that the mouthpiece would butt up against the leadpipe, leaving no gap. Seems to me like wear would quickly happen, leading to a mouthpiece that you couldn't get to fit tightly... but maybe I am wrong. I have never owned a Schilke trumpet.

I own a couple of Monette mouthpieces and have had others pass through my hands. I tried some of his horns in the 90's that I thought were quite nice. His new stuff I just cannot comprehend but players with far more talent than I believe in him so I tend to think I am at fault for not understanding him.
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Re: Deep Voodoo/Deep Doodoo

Postby barry grrr-ero » Fri Sep 15, 2017 1:41 am

Be careful not to fall into the gap . . .

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Re: Deep Voodoo/Deep Doodoo

Postby bloke » Fri Sep 15, 2017 10:40 am

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Re: Deep Voodoo/Deep Doodoo

Postby southtubist » Sat Sep 16, 2017 1:47 pm

I guess I'm the opposite of this guy?

I mean, the last two CC tubas I've owned have had Euro receivers, but I played them with an American shank Blokepiece because I'm too cheap to buy a new mouthpiece. I've played the same two mouthpieces for 6 years I think, too.
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Re: Deep Voodoo/Deep Doodoo

Postby bloke » Sat Sep 16, 2017 9:27 pm

What are those things...??
Some electro-shock therapy treatment for Stage Four prostate cancer or something...??
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