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Postby Mark Finley » Mon Oct 09, 2017 7:15 am

It really sucks that I cant find a metal mute that fits my 601? I am playing 2 pieces this upcoming weekend, both with muted parts, and my beloved H&B aluminum mute is terrible with my BAT.

When I had my piggy I looked forward to played with the mute because I think when you bath the right mute with the taper of the bell, it can be a nice color change. And I really like the growl of the metal mutes, so I've always fought buying a trumcor or other fiber or wood mute

Guess I need to break down and buy one anyway
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Re: Can I just say this about mutes

Postby bisontuba » Mon Oct 09, 2017 7:18 am

Mark-
Add extra strips of cork to you mute and then try it in a BART/BAT....
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Re: Can I just say this about mutes

Postby cambrook » Mon Oct 09, 2017 7:45 am

Excellent metal tuba mutes are available, they just aren't cheap or available in your local music shop.

I have 3 Schlipf mutes for various tubas, and they all work very well. I'm sure if you contact him he will have one for the 601.
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Re: Can I just say this about mutes

Postby Mark Finley » Mon Oct 09, 2017 9:02 am

bisontuba wrote:Mark-
Add extra strips of cork to you mute and then try it in a BART/BAT....



I tried that. it fit better, but the taper was still terrible
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Re: Can I just say this about mutes

Postby Mark Finley » Mon Oct 09, 2017 9:03 am

cambrook wrote:Excellent metal tuba mutes are available, they just aren't cheap or available in your local music shop.

I have 3 Schlipf mutes for various tubas, and they all work very well. I'm sure if you contact him he will have one for the 601.


Thanks, I didn't know Schlipf mutes were metal. I don't think I've ever seen one in person
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Re: Can I just say this about mutes

Postby Casca Grossa » Mon Oct 09, 2017 10:42 am

I had a very old Tennessee Tech mute that I used in my 601 for years. I added some extra cork to it but it always worked well for me. It was sheet metal with a wooden base.Looked like crap but did the job.
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Re: Can I just say this about mutes

Postby bloke » Mon Oct 09, 2017 10:54 am

The Wick is the best for large tubas.
Apparently, they know it; it costs a lot of money.
I'm a Wick dealer, but they are still too expensive for me.
I bought one used from eBay. :|
I then sold my large-size H&B.

The Wick required about 3/8" of cork (on all three cork platforms, obviously) to fit my large-bell-throat 5/4 tuba.
Though the spacing between the bell and mute was increased, it still offers a nice snarly sound (which I like), and a good, available low range.
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My medium-size H&B is an astonishingly-good mute for medium-size (large F) tubas.
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Re: Can I just say this about mutes

Postby PaulMaybery » Mon Oct 09, 2017 3:18 pm

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Try this with your mute.
I had the same issue and it worked perfectly.

Take a soup can and cut off both the top and the bottom.

Then with any of a number of means, like duct tape or velcro, attach it to the bottom end of the mute, thus extending it about 4 inches more into the bell. This improves the intonation and the response in the low low register,

And yes the corks.
I used gasket cork found in the automotive department.Cut it into strips,
I used double stick tape and laminate some strips together, building it up to the right fit. A little trial and error.
The with adhesive velcro strips I attached the corks to the side of the mute and was able to adjust them.

All this was on a 6/4 BAT. Worked just fine. and the mute can easily switched back to its oirginal state.
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Re: Can I just say this about mutes

Postby Michael Bush » Mon Oct 09, 2017 4:33 pm

bloke wrote:The Wick ... offers a nice snarly sound


I have had one of these for several years, and have used it (mostly to practice) with several different tubas. Does that "nice snarly sound" exist out in the hall while resembling an irritating rattle in the player's ear, under the bell? (I know this may sound like typical TubeNet snark, but it isn't. I'm actually asking, because that's what I hear, and have only performed with the mute once.)
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Re: Can I just say this about mutes

Postby bisontuba » Mon Oct 09, 2017 4:48 pm

I have an old Apperson ‘J’ mute Ron made for Jacob’s York...the J mutes rock for big horns!
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Re: Can I just say this about mutes

Postby bloke » Mon Oct 09, 2017 8:56 pm

H&B 208...

I've done the Pringle's can thing, and then replaced it with a piece of 3" sheet metal stovepipe.

Those just aren't my favorite mutes. The (not particularly) low range is stinky, and the sound is unstable. My solution was to sell it and get a good mute.

Again, the 206 (for medium-size tubas) is a true gem...superior to all, imo.

They just seemed to have made the opening for the larger 208 mute too small.

My Wick was an eBay Buy-It-Now for $100 w/free shipping...a no-brainer.
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Re: Can I just say this about mutes

Postby Mark Finley » Mon Oct 09, 2017 9:13 pm

I loved my 208 with my piggy. It was the reason I started looking forward to play with a mute. I have a 206, but I haven't spent as much time with it as the 206.

They need to make a 210 with a BAT taper
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Re: Can I just say this about mutes

Postby bloke » Mon Oct 09, 2017 9:16 pm

Mark Finley wrote:I loved my 208 with my piggy. It was the reason I started looking forward to play with a mute. I have a 206, but I haven't spent as much time with it as the 206.

They need to make a 210 with a BAT taper


I would wonder how much (even) better you may have liked the 208 with a short-belled big tuba ("piggy") with the bottom 2" of that mute cut off (larger opening).
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Re: Can I just say this about mutes

Postby cambrook » Mon Oct 09, 2017 9:22 pm

My experience with the H&B metal mutes is similar to blokes - I found the 208 to be not as good as the 206.

I don't regard the 206 quite as highly as bloke does, I don't find it "superior to all" - but I'm pretty sure that's because we're using different tubas. A student of mine bought a Wick mute for his Willson 3400 and it works a bit better in that horn than the 206. The 206 was fine, but the Wick was a bit better in that horn. I suspect in a B&H Eb the Wick might be the best choice.

There's a lot more variation in tuba bell shapes than trumpet bells. If a manufacturer has one or two sizes then there's a good chance that the mute will work very well in the correct bell profile, and acceptably well in a similar-but-different profile - and less well in a very different profile.

Having said that - I suspect bloke might be onto something with the idea of cutting a 208 down so it has a larger opening?
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Re: Can I just say this about mutes

Postby Biggs » Mon Oct 09, 2017 10:16 pm

bloke wrote:
Again, the 206 (for medium-size tubas) is a true gem...superior to all, imo.



^this. Whatever the secret TubeNet code for bloke always being right is, apply it here.
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Re: Can I just say this about mutes

Postby Mark Finley » Mon Oct 09, 2017 10:34 pm

I"ll have to do some serious A/B between the 206 and the 208 with both my Eb frankentuba and my Wessex Prague. Both have similar bells

of course that doesn't really help me this weekend. Playing two different works that call for Muted tuba. That's never happened in one concert before

Anyone want to guess what I'm playing?
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Re: Can I just say this about mutes

Postby Roger Lewis » Tue Oct 10, 2017 9:29 am

FAXX makes a metal 6/4 mute that is quite good and very well designed, but they are hard to find. Your local dealer could order one from American Way Marketing in Elkhart. They can't sell them direct to my knowledge.

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Re: Can I just say this about mutes

Postby bloke » Tue Oct 10, 2017 10:04 am

Roger Lewis wrote:FAXX makes a metal 6/4 mute that is quite good and very well designed, but they are hard to find. Your local dealer could order one from American Way Marketing in Elkhart. They can't sell them direct to my knowledge.

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I remember those being displayed in Memphis years ago. Roger was at that conference as well.

If I'm remembering correctly, they are somewhat similar in shape/size to H&B, but have interesting facets rather than smooth/round) in their design.
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Re: Can I just say this about mutes

Postby the elephant » Tue Oct 10, 2017 10:20 am

Biggs wrote:
bloke wrote:
Again, the 206 (for medium-size tubas) is a true gem...superior to all, imo.



^this. Whatever the secret TubeNet code for bloke always being right is, apply it here.


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