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King 1241 bell tuning differences

Postby KiltieTuba » Thu Oct 12, 2017 10:47 pm

For those that have owned or currently own a King 1241/1240 with both bells, what’s the tuning difference between the upright bell and the recording bell?

I’d like to get an upright bell for my Pit Tuba, but I don’t have any measurements or idea how it will change the pitch. I’d like to not have an additional slide for a separate bell.
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Re: King 1241 bell tuning differences

Postby Dan Schultz » Thu Oct 12, 2017 11:06 pm

The 'pit' King is a different animal but it's been my experience with the 'normal' Kings that the horn is about 30 cents sharper with the recording bell. King used to stamp the last three numbers of the horn serial number into the main slides. There were at least two lengths of main slides.
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Re: King 1241 bell tuning differences

Postby KiltieTuba » Fri Oct 13, 2017 10:49 am

Hmm... I need to have a new main slide made as I need to pull out an inch and a half as it is now - that’s with two bits already.

I’m thinking of bugging Kanstul to either make me a bell or use one of their existing bells, I’ve been getting the hand a lot in rehearsals with the recording bell.

Any chance someone can measure their King bells for me? I’m curious where the throat ends and the flare begins in both. It would help narrow down where I would need to cut an existing bell or make a new one... even though the upright bell for the Pit Tuba would need to be longer, as the existing recording bell is longer.

Thanks Dan!
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Re: King 1241 bell tuning differences

Postby Dan Schultz » Fri Oct 13, 2017 7:23 pm

KiltieTuba wrote:Hmm... I need to have a new main slide made as I need to pull out an inch and a half as it is now - that’s with two bits already.

I’m thinking of bugging Kanstul to either make me a bell or use one of their existing bells, I’ve been getting the hand a lot in rehearsals with the recording bell.

Any chance someone can measure their King bells for me? I’m curious where the throat ends and the flare begins in both. It would help narrow down where I would need to cut an existing bell or make a new one... even though the upright bell for the Pit Tuba would need to be longer, as the existing recording bell is longer.

Thanks Dan!


Kiltie... a longer bell will help... but just a little. What you need is to replace the ferrules on both ends of the branch just before the mail slide with ferrules for the current 2341 tuba. That will add almost 3" to the open bugle. I can send you images of my King if you want to email me. Pictures are on my Facebook page along with the following text:

"Ever had an older King 1240/41 or 2340/41 that played sharp? Over the years prior to the later fixed-bell King... there were some modifications made to the open bugles, leadpipes, and main tuning slides that have been next to impossible to document. Conn-Selmer parts TU04014 and TU04016 will lengthen the parts right behind the main slide by about 2 1/2". It's easy to remove the old ferrules and incorporate the longer ones. This is on a King that I built and kept for my own use. The first time out for a 4th of July concert... the pitch was out-of-control high because of the 95 degrees temperature. I had to use TWO tuning bits to get the pitch down! A=440 is just fine now with the main slide out about 3/4" at around 75 degrees. It's a 'keeper'!"
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