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Postby DouglasJB » Thu Nov 02, 2017 6:49 pm

Ouvertüre zur Oper,, Die diebische Elster" anyone played the tuba part to this piece? It was just handed out in orchestra and I am not entirely familiar with it.
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Re: Ouvertüre zur Oper,, Die diebische Elster" anyone played

Postby bloke » Thu Nov 02, 2017 8:23 pm

Rossini - La Gazza Ladra..The Thieving Magpie...
The tuba part parenthetical, and (I'm pretty sure) not in the original.
Since I own a contrabass trombone (cimbasso) I use that when confronted with this part.
The trombones would do just fine without the tuba.
I don't always remember things just right, but I'm thinking that the actual opera itself only uses one trombone...or (maybe...??) one single-line part that says "tromboni".

Subdivide the slow sections, and breathe with your section mates.
Breathe on the tie (before the eighth notes, in the fast section) to keep the roller coaster effect in check. Practice the two longer fast licks. You'll hear your section mates "ghosting" those passages over-and-over.
Listen to a name group (Arctic Monkeys...??) play it on youtube. Play it like the record. Look at the conductor when he cues you. That will make him think that you are "good"...but (much more) that HE is "amazing".
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Re: Ouvertüre zur Oper,, Die diebische Elster" anyone played

Postby DouglasJB » Thu Nov 02, 2017 9:22 pm

Thanks Joe
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Re: Ouvertüre zur Oper,, Die diebische Elster" anyone played

Postby olaness1 » Fri Nov 03, 2017 3:51 pm

Just a quick add here to add to what Bloke says. There are two editions of this overture - the original has three trombones and no tuba, but there's a second edition with altered orchestration where there's one trombone and one tuba. In my personal opinion the first of those two is far superior, and not just down to the low brass writing, but the second one does seem to get airtime as well, also with 'big name' orchestras and conductors. Someone else might be aware of the history of this and why there are two editions?

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Re: Ouvertüre zur Oper,, Die diebische Elster" anyone played

Postby Ace » Fri Nov 03, 2017 4:10 pm

I heard this work about three weeks ago, played by the excellent Contra Costa Chamber Orchestra in Walnut Creek CA. A tuba was used in the performance. Fortunately, the guy was a great player with good articulation and intonation. But, he was using what appeared to be at least a 4/4 tuba with a high bell-stack which, because of his seating position, was pointed toward the audience. It came across as much too loud even though the player was a refined musician who would never show off by over blowing. I think Rossini did not have in mind such a big, loud instrument. In fact, as far as I'm aware, there were no tubas in Rossini's day. The original for just trombones would have been the way to go.

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Re: Ouvertüre zur Oper,, Die diebische Elster" anyone played

Postby DouglasJB » Fri Nov 03, 2017 9:38 pm

As far as I'm aware this is written for 3 trombones and tuba (we have not rehearsed it yet) would it be better to play this on a 6/4 CC or a 4/4 Eb?
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Re: Ouvertüre zur Oper,, Die diebische Elster" anyone played

Postby imperialbari » Fri Nov 03, 2017 10:57 pm

The original is written for ONE (1) trombone:

https://imslp.nl/imglnks/usimg/0/0b/IMSLP134684-PMLP18921-Rossini_-_La_gazza_ladra_OvFSEulen_rsl.pdf

This page:

http://imslp.org/wiki/La_gazza_ladra_(Rossini%2C_Gioacchino)

has parts for the original as well as for the bloated editions.

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Re: Ouvertüre zur Oper,, Die diebische Elster" anyone played

Postby bloke » Fri Nov 03, 2017 11:35 pm

As Klaus hints, probably best to not play, but you will. :D
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Re: Ouvertüre zur Oper,, Die diebische Elster" anyone played

Postby DouglasJB » Sat Nov 04, 2017 12:54 am

Last concert the only piece I was on was New World, going to be nice to play more than 14 notes. Besides if the director (University Symphony Orchestra) passes out the part, he wants it played
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