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Compact-wrapped 5/4 CC tubas

Postby bort » Thu Nov 09, 2017 6:28 pm

What are some 5/4 CC tubas that have very compact wraps?

That is, a low top bow, instead of a top bow that is near the bell.

A 4/4 example is the Miraphone 186 or 188. Anything 5/4 that is like this? I am drawing a blank. :oops:
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Re: Compact-wrapped 5/4 CC tubas

Postby Lectron » Thu Nov 09, 2017 7:44 pm

Rudy is probably worth mentioning
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Re: Compact-wrapped 5/4 CC tubas

Postby Mark Horne » Thu Nov 09, 2017 8:41 pm

It's hard to meet all those criteria, but the closest thing matching that description to me is an Alexander 163. Its 5/4 designation comes not so much from its size (fits into a 186 gig bag), but from its straight .808 inch bore and bigger overall sound. It's body is taller than the Miraphones but the top bow does not come close to the end of the bell. The leadpipe sits a bit higher on the bell so it feels "taller" to play. Compared to Miraphone's 129X-series 5/4 horns, I've always felt that the Alexander could generate a bigger sound, especially down low. If you really wanted a compact 5/4 body and a tall bell then Miraphone's 190 should fit the description (although I suspect it's a lot bigger than you would want).

Also worth mentioning as a horn with a compact body, tall bell and a 5/4 sound would be a Kalison Daryl Smith model. It's the most Alexander-like in sound of any piston tuba that I've played.
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Re: Compact-wrapped 5/4 CC tubas

Postby bort » Thu Nov 09, 2017 10:14 pm

Lectron wrote:Rudy is probably worth mentioning


Love the Rudy 5/4, but it is really a 6/4 tuba. Too big for me. :(
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Re: Compact-wrapped 5/4 CC tubas

Postby bort » Fri Nov 10, 2017 12:43 am

Mark Horne wrote:...Alexander 163...


Thanks Mark. Guess I forgot about that one somehow!
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Re: Compact-wrapped 5/4 CC tubas

Postby joh_tuba » Fri Nov 10, 2017 12:06 pm

I wouldn't call a Cerveny Piggy a 5/4 but it certainly plays and sounds bigger than most 4/4 horns.

Can't get much more compact than that.
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Re: Compact-wrapped 5/4 CC tubas

Postby Mark Finley » Fri Nov 10, 2017 12:20 pm

I was thinking of a Bruckner, but then I saw he wants a tall bell and a compact body.
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Re: Compact-wrapped 5/4 CC tubas

Postby bort » Fri Nov 10, 2017 12:32 pm

Thanks... Yeah, the Piggy has a very short bell/tall bow. Not a shape that works for me. I guess the Cerveny 693(?) is very tightly wrapped.

Same for the Bruckner. I had a 1291 for many years, and instantly felt more comfortable on the 188 , holding the tuba.

I like so much about the 188, just always want it to be a little larger. Might be time to give it another try. That or a 163. From many angles, it keeps coming down to those two options.

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Re: Compact-wrapped 5/4 CC tubas

Postby Mark Finley » Fri Nov 10, 2017 12:53 pm

http://www.dillonmusic.com/p-4951-mirap ... -tuba.aspx" target="_blank

So you want a larger 188? Here you go
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Re: Compact-wrapped 5/4 CC tubas

Postby TheGoyWonder » Fri Nov 10, 2017 12:55 pm

nooooooooo not more bad terminology!
"compact wrap" means it's wrapped to be short overall. Like a Piggy. Taller body, shorter bell till the point they nearly meet.
terminology for what you mean is lacking...maybe "traditional-wrap", "long-bell"
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Re: Compact-wrapped 5/4 CC tubas

Postby bort » Fri Nov 10, 2017 1:05 pm

Not surprised if I called it the wrong thing. :)

Either way, I don't like it when the top bow is all up on the bell.
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Re: Compact-wrapped 5/4 CC tubas

Postby Lectron » Fri Nov 10, 2017 1:15 pm

Going back there myself on the large tuba.
Better to hold, and like the bell further away
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Re: Compact-wrapped 5/4 CC tubas

Postby swillafew » Fri Nov 10, 2017 1:34 pm

PT-20P is small and plays really well. I played a new one when I didn't have the money to buy it (or so I thought). I should have dug deeper and bought it. I don't (what)-4 those are, but who cares if it plays well enough. There has never been a used one anywhere near me since then.
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Re: Compact-wrapped 5/4 CC tubas

Postby Tubaguyry » Fri Nov 10, 2017 1:56 pm

TheGoyWonder wrote:"compact wrap" means it's wrapped to be short overall. Like a Piggy.


I'm gonna have to disagree with you on this. "Compact wrap" to me means the "guts" (from the leadpipe through the bottom bow.) I would definitely consider the 188 to have a "compact wrap." To me, this makes it a MUCH different (read: better) hold than a 186. Much more comfortable, much more nimble feeling.
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Re: Compact-wrapped 5/4 CC tubas

Postby TheGoyWonder » Fri Nov 10, 2017 2:47 pm

The tall-bell, traditional wrap puts the bell a bit further from your head so you can actually hear other instruments.
And it looks way cooler.
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Re: Compact-wrapped 5/4 CC tubas

Postby bort » Fri Nov 10, 2017 2:53 pm

Mark Finley wrote:http://www.dillonmusic.com/p-4951-miraphone-cc190-5v-lacquer-cc-tuba.aspx" target="_blank" target="_blank

So you want a larger 188? Here you go


The 190s that I have tried were all pretty different from the 188, and not really like a bigger 188, as I thought it would be. This includes a brand new 190 from a few years ago.

I sounded awful on it, but think it just requires a different kind of air and playing.

I really do like the Bruckner, too, but just never really get comfortable with my left hand/arm.
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Re: Compact-wrapped 5/4 CC tubas

Postby jeopardymaster » Fri Nov 10, 2017 6:23 pm

The PT-6 looks to me to be very similar in appearance and dimension to an Alex 163, although it doesn't play quite as big, to my feel.
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Re: Compact-wrapped 5/4 CC tubas

Postby Basses88 » Fri Nov 10, 2017 7:35 pm

The Miraphone 190 really is a different beast.
I spent some time trying a large number of different mouthpieces, and found that deep cup mouthpieces don't behave well with the 190.
A shallow cup mouthpiece created a great bouquet of sound on the horn.
My eventual choice was to play the 190 with a Bobo Symphonic.
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Re: Compact-wrapped 5/4 CC tubas

Postby bort » Fri Nov 10, 2017 7:41 pm

Do you still use a 190? If not, what did you move on to?
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Re: Compact-wrapped 5/4 CC tubas

Postby Basses88 » Fri Nov 10, 2017 7:49 pm

I still have the 190. Plays like a gem!!
I leave the 190 in the rehearsal hall, and play a Holton 355 (with a Cooley Helleberg) at home.
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