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Postby Mark Finley » Wed Nov 22, 2017 6:43 pm

In a couple of years my wife and I may be in a position to visit Europe. I would like to tour at least one of the major factories if possible (cerveny, miraphone, ect)

If you could do one, which one would you pick and why?
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Re: European tuba tour?

Postby bort » Wed Nov 22, 2017 7:45 pm

Willson. Not because I own one, but because Switzerland is probably the most beautiful place in the world, in my eyes.
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Re: European tuba tour?

Postby royjohn » Wed Nov 22, 2017 9:32 pm

Hi Mark,
Having been to Europe last year, after a fifteen year hiatus, I highly endorse your decision and encourage you to go ASAP. If you check the flight reservation sites (momondo, skyscanner) regularly and are willing to go off season, in the spring or fall, you can get to somewhere in Europe, probably Amsterdam, London or Brussels, for $450 or so, round trip from NYC or DC. We booked airbnb's in Belgium and Italy and had virtually no trouble and rates from 30 to 60 euros/day. Once you get to Europe, flights on Ryanair and other budget airlines are cheap to get to the city of your choice. You flight might be more if you cannot fly out of a hub in the East... rented a car in Italy for about ten days for about $150 for a nice Citroen diesel. The traffic in Italy really wasn't bad outside the big cities and I NEVER had a bad meal. We'll be going back this spring. Good luck!
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Re: European tuba tour?

Postby UncleBeer » Wed Nov 22, 2017 10:33 pm

Visit Geretsried in southern Germany. In the same small town, you can see both Meinl-Weston and Nirschl shops. Plus, it's in the foot of the Alps.
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Re: European tuba tour?

Postby bort » Wed Nov 22, 2017 10:49 pm

I've heard that Thein is a good place to visit as well. They make more trombones than anything else (I think), but perhaps that isn't a problem.
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Re: European tuba tour?

Postby roweenie » Wed Nov 22, 2017 10:56 pm

UncleBeer wrote:Visit Geretsried in southern Germany. In the same small town, you can see both Meinl-Weston and Nirschl shops. Plus, it's in the foot of the Alps.


Meinlschmidt is there, too.

(Geretsried would be at the top of my list, and it's not too far from Munich, too.....)
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Postby UncleBeer » Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:17 pm

bort wrote:I've heard that Thein is a good place to visit as well. They make more trombones than anything else (I think), but perhaps that isn't a problem.

I spent a week there while on a jazz tour. Much of what they do is just solder together components from parts suppliers (bells, valves, etc.).
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Re: European tuba tour?

Postby bloke » Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:26 pm

Geretsried production has (to a great extent, no?) migrated to eastern Germany and Brazil.
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Re: European tuba tour?

Postby gionvil » Thu Nov 23, 2017 4:20 am

If you happen to choose Italy ( needless to say I highly recommend that..!) pay a visit to G&P, it's located in the North,very close to Milano's main airport, the Alps and the region of the Lakes. Not a big factory maybe, but at least you see real craftmens at work. A lot of beautiful landscapes and small towns within a short driving distance.
And of course let me know as I'd be glad to meet for a good italian dinner!
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Re: European tuba tour?

Postby apkujala » Thu Nov 23, 2017 5:14 am

bloke wrote:Geretsried production has (to a great extent, no?) migrated to eastern Germany and Brazil.


Nirschl and Meinl Weston shops are still there. Meinls are made in Markeneukirchen (i think) but the test room is in geretsried with most Buffet groups items (melton+b&s).

Nirschl depends on luck meaning his shop has only tubas that are not ready or just havent been sent to owner yet. Or rare occassion, waiting for silvering. So with him its useful to contact him beforehand to be sure he has something to test if needed.

Munich for sure is good place to go for tuba sightseeing.
Train to Geretsried takes like 30min or so, nice sights on the way and really good kebab place near train stop at Wolfrathshausen btw.
Also Miraphone factory is about 60km to east from Munich in town called Waldkreiburg. Very nice place to visit also.

Another almost close factory is Rudolf Meinl, for that we had a rental car and with autobahn it took about 2hrs from Munich.

Obviously in Munich you can find couple quite good orchestras too if interested in concerts.

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One good option as a tourist is to take a train from Munich to Innsbruck. Very nice place to visit and from there you can continue by train to Italy. We made an error with wife and went to all these places and now we need to go again.
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Re: European tuba tour?

Postby Oldschooltuba » Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:16 pm

My only experience is from the FTW Youth Orchestra tour in the 19........ We went to the Alexander factory. Quite a treat. Mintz (sp).
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Re: European tuba tour?

Postby bloke » Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:20 pm

yeah...
Miraphone actually makes the vast majority of the stuff that goes into their products, so that might be the best choice (particularly if the German/Czech border - B&S or Cerveny) is too far off your path...
...but you can't really know what Miraphone is doing on any particular day. Some manufacturing operations are far more interesting to observe than others.
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Re: European tuba tour?

Postby hubert » Fri Nov 24, 2017 12:30 pm

If you are planning to rent a car, it would be a nice tour from Munich to Geretsried (a.o. Meinl Weston, the Buffet Crampon showroom, Nirschl), from there to Waldkraiburg (Miraphone), then to Markneukirchen (B&S and other Buffet Crampon products, as well as a bunch of small specialized companies). From there you almost can jump to Kraslice in Czechia (former Graslitz), where Amati after WWII swallowed up all private companies that were established there. It still produces the largest numbers of wind instruments of all Europe (not only Amati, but all kind of "brands" and parts for assemblage elsewhere). Return tour via Diespeck-Neustadt an der Aisch, where Rudi Meinl and the Josef Klier companies can be found.
If you prefer the most beautiful nature and views drive from Munich via Geretsried to Switzerland (Willson).
If you want to see the most modern factory around, jump from the plane in Holland and visit Adams. Afterwards you always can decide to smoke a joint in Amsterdam :wink: :wink:
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Re: European tuba tour?

Postby bloke » Fri Nov 24, 2017 1:08 pm

Forget "being crammed into airplanes", and forget "watching people do work".
Visit the Cumberland Plateau in the fall, or visit Maine, Nova Scotia, Alaska, or Montana in the summer.
Leave your musical instruments at home.

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Re: European tuba tour?

Postby bort » Fri Nov 24, 2017 2:16 pm

Or, just go to Europe and forget about tubas for a while. It's supposed to be a vacation, right?

Best suggestion, whatever you do... Don't vacation where there are lots of other Americans. Nothing more annoying than traveling thousands of miles, and meeting people from the same place as you.
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Re: European tuba tour?

Postby Mark Finley » Fri Nov 24, 2017 3:10 pm

Back in 99 we got a VIP tour of the Eastlake Ohio conn/King factory. That was the highlight of the vacation. I'd love to see the production of making tubas over in Europe
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Re: European tuba tour?

Postby Bob Kolada » Fri Nov 24, 2017 3:30 pm

bloke wrote:Forget "being crammed into airplanes", and forget "watching people do work".
Visit the Cumberland Plateau in the fall, or visit Maine, Nova Scotia, Alaska, or Montana in the summer.
Leave your musical instruments at home.

bloke "The most interesting tubas are those that are completely ready to play."



+1 on Alaska. I went there a few years ago and spent my days playing jazz, nights at roadhouse bars, and days off hiking the Denali.
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Re: European tuba tour?

Postby Mark Finley » Fri Nov 24, 2017 4:41 pm

My wife's family is from the black forest part of Germany, and mine is from northern Italy. Going to Europe is something that we have always talked about. Alaska is nice, but there is nothing like the heritage and history of Europe
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Re: European tuba tour?

Postby bort » Fri Nov 24, 2017 5:32 pm

Mark Finley wrote:Back in 99 we got a VIP tour of the Eastlake Ohio conn/King factory. That was the highlight of the vacation. I'd love to see the production of making tubas over in Europe


Not exactly shocked that the best part of your trip to Eastlake was the factory tour. :roll: :P
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Re: European tuba tour?

Postby Ulli » Sun Nov 26, 2017 4:40 pm

Not a factory, but don't miss the opportunity to visit: Thomann at Burgebrach

https://www.thomann.de/gb/wind_instruments.html

and FMB, Guetersloh

https://www.fmb-direkt.de/en/
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