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Unusual Tuba Design
Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2017 11:32 am
by bigtubby
I've never seen anything like this, looks like a left handed 4V rotary set up to be a bell-front instrument??? Looks to be either production or very well made custom.
https://youtu.be/ZLbeRa7f-fI
Re: Unusual Tuba Design
Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2017 11:43 am
by Doug Elliott
Looks like it was designed by a bari sax player. It totally makes sense.
Re: Unusual Tuba Design
Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2017 12:15 pm
by bort
Looks like a gimmick to get attention, and more tips.
Re: Unusual Tuba Design
Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2017 1:07 pm
by bigtubby
bort wrote:Looks like a gimmick to get attention, and more tips.
Building (or rebuilding) a tuba to be left handed seems a lot of work for a gimmick, doesn't it? Or should we ask Oren Marshall perhaps?
Re: Unusual Tuba Design
Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2017 1:17 pm
by bort
Sure looks to me like his right hand is on the valves
I would expect to see a helicon in eastern Europe, this seems not much easier to hold, and on the street, more attention grabbing. This is on Charles Bridge, the epicenter of tourism in Prague.
Re: Unusual Tuba Design
Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2017 3:40 pm
by bigtubby
bort wrote:Sure looks to me like his right hand is on the valves
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Imagine, if you will, playing that horn with a normal lead pipe (e.g. wrapping around the bell from front to back). Or simply compare the layout of the valve actuating mechanisms with any the thousands of European designed tubas: Cerveny nearly everything; Miraphone nearly everything, etc., etc. - in the world. Perhaps I should have said "upside down" rather than "left handed", this is not a standard tuba with a retrofitted lead pipe.
Re: Unusual Tuba Design
Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2017 4:24 pm
by roweenie
From the looks of this old photo, I'd say the design is "nothing new" - a "tornister tuba" design applied to a full-size horn.
The valves on the horn in the video are set a little lower in the bugle, but it's the same principle.
My guess is it was a custom job from the get-go.
Re: Unusual Tuba Design
Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2017 5:58 pm
by windshieldbug
Or even earlier, some civil war Over-The-Shoulder tubas came with a curved shank that one could use to change the instrument to a bell-up when the use demanded it... (and still others were adapted that way after the war was over and you weren't marching in front of the troops)
Re: Unusual Tuba Design
Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2017 6:30 pm
by bigtubby
roweenie wrote:
From the looks of this old photo, I'd say the design is "nothing new" - a "tornister tuba" design applied to a full-size horn.
The valves on the horn in the video are set a little lower in the bugle, but it's the same principle.
My guess is it was a custom job from the get-go.
windshieldbug wrote:Or even earlier, some civil war Over-The-Shoulder tubas came with a curved shank that one could use to change the instrument to a bell-up when the use demanded it... (and still others were adapted that way after the war was over and you weren't marching in front of the troops)
FWIW I own an original Cerveny BBb Tornisertuba and the remains of an OTS saxhorn.
My point was that the instrument in the video I posted was not accomplished by fabricating a lead pipe for an easily available modern tuba (which it appears to be) and not a "gimmick" add-on performed in an hour or so.
As I mentioned above, it appears to me to be either a production instrument or a skillfully designed and constructed custom instrument and not a quickie modification.
Examples of modern (after, say, WWI) tubas with similar layout are welcomed.
Re: Unusual Tuba Design
Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2017 9:03 pm
by Kirley
I want one!
Re: Unusual Tuba Design
Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2017 9:26 pm
by bigtubby
Kirley wrote:I want one!
Honestly, that's what I thought. I have a friend who lives in Prague (but is sadly uninterested in the Bohemian contributions to brass instrument design). Will ask him to put out some feelers ...
Re: Unusual Tuba Design
Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2017 10:24 pm
by imperialbari
Re: Unusual Tuba Design
Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2017 12:18 am
by Kirley
I can’t stop thinking about it!
Hey, Johnathan... : )
Also, that band was tearing it up.
Re: Unusual Tuba Design
Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2017 2:24 am
by Wyvern
Re: Unusual Tuba Design
Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2017 11:10 am
by edsel585960
Very cool horn.
Re: Unusual Tuba Design
Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2017 8:10 pm
by bigtubby
Looks like a Cerveny CBB-683 ...