Hey everyone!
I have a really cool and what i have been told really rare to see these days. It is a Vincent Bach Corp. Mt. Vernon NY Gold 24 AW and has a very thin rim.
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Please let me know your thoughts! Should i have it copied?
Thanks!
Joshua
Need help finding info on a vintage mouthpiece
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Re: Need help finding info on a vintage mouthpiece
In my opinion there's no way that's original - it's been modified a LOT.
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Re: Need help finding info on a vintage mouthpiece
It has been modified. You can tell if for no other reason than "24AW" means model 24 inside diameter cup, "A" cup (deep) and "W" rim (wide). So no matter when it was made, if it doesn't have a wide rim, it cannot by definition be original.
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Re: Need help finding info on a vintage mouthpiece
Isn’t it almost a Conn Helleberg type of rim?
Years ago I in private discussed rim shapes with Mike Finn. We agreed that sharp edges (as coming from a flat Helleberg type rim) makes the inner diameter of the cup feel narrower than the same cup width combined with a much rounder rim, with the inner edge barely noticeable (like with the rim of a PT-50). Today I also would say that the rounder rim makes the cup feel deeper, as if its effective depth were not from the bottom of the cup to the edge of the rim, but to the top of the rim crown.
As hinted above here the modifications of your 24AW have made the cup shallower. And the sharper edge makes an already narrow mouthpiece feel even narrower.
Years ago I also discussed getting a flat rimmed PT-50 with an employé at Bob Tucci’s Munich store. He said that a PT-50 might have its rim turned down to flat. But that wasn’t really what I wanted. For me to keep the same sense of depth and width, the flat rim should be at the level of the top of the round rim. And the inner diameter at that point would have had to be slightly larger than the original one.
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Years ago I in private discussed rim shapes with Mike Finn. We agreed that sharp edges (as coming from a flat Helleberg type rim) makes the inner diameter of the cup feel narrower than the same cup width combined with a much rounder rim, with the inner edge barely noticeable (like with the rim of a PT-50). Today I also would say that the rounder rim makes the cup feel deeper, as if its effective depth were not from the bottom of the cup to the edge of the rim, but to the top of the rim crown.
As hinted above here the modifications of your 24AW have made the cup shallower. And the sharper edge makes an already narrow mouthpiece feel even narrower.
Years ago I also discussed getting a flat rimmed PT-50 with an employé at Bob Tucci’s Munich store. He said that a PT-50 might have its rim turned down to flat. But that wasn’t really what I wanted. For me to keep the same sense of depth and width, the flat rim should be at the level of the top of the round rim. And the inner diameter at that point would have had to be slightly larger than the original one.
Klaus