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Looiking for a smaller mouthpiece

Postby KKORO » Wed Jan 03, 2018 6:51 pm

I'm mainly a euphonium/baritone player. A year ago I bought an old beat up 3/4 King 1135 to learn the tuba. It came with a Bach 18 mouthpiece. After a year, the Bach still feels too big to me. I'd like suggestions for a smaller mouthpiece.

If it makes any difference, I use a G&W Kadja on my euph. and I'll be playing all sorts of music in my hometown community band.

Thanks for any help.

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Re: Looiking for a smaller mouthpiece

Postby toobagrowl » Wed Jan 03, 2018 7:00 pm

Maybe try a Bach 22 or equivalent. With Bach mpcs, the higher the number the smaller the mpc.
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Re: Looiking for a smaller mouthpiece

Postby Donn » Wed Jan 03, 2018 7:54 pm

It looks to me like it's a lot easier to find an inexpensive copy of the 25, than the 22. I've never tried either, but I have a couple of mouthpieces that are as small diameter as the 25 is supposed to be, or smaller, and they're legit - you can make plenty of tuba noise with a 30.x mm diameter mouthpiece.

For published dimensions of many mouthpieces: Tuba Mouthpiece Guide.
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Re: Looiking for a smaller mouthpiece

Postby Three Valves » Wed Jan 03, 2018 8:23 pm

Kelly makes plastic versions you can try without breaking the bank.
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Re: Looiking for a smaller mouthpiece

Postby Three Valves » Thu Jan 04, 2018 8:50 am

The 25 is available for $17 + shipping

So are the 18 and the Kellyberg if you don't mind the color.

https://kellymouthpieces.com/kellyskloset/index.asp
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Re: Looiking for a smaller mouthpiece

Postby iiipopes » Thu Jan 04, 2018 10:06 am

Yes. The 25. I have a friend who is primarily a bone player, but in the last few years has had more and more gigs on tuba (including borrowing mine). He plays a 25, and sounds great on it (even if it is my tuba).
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Re: Looiking for a smaller mouthpiece

Postby BBruce107 » Thu Jan 04, 2018 11:52 am

Another mouthpiece you could try is a Yamaha 67c4 or Yamaha 66. They are inexpensive and not overly big. They also have a much more comfortable rim than Bach mouthpieces (at least to me). The Bobo Symphonic replica would also be a good idea to check into-- the mouthpiece is not really big compared to others but not small either ( use large equipment and used it on F tuba to open it up before switching to my current mouthpiece). Hope this helps!
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Re: Looiking for a smaller mouthpiece

Postby MaryAnn » Thu Jan 04, 2018 12:08 pm

I saw the Kelly 25 was in wedding white....with a silver instrument, that actually blends in really well. It is one of the much less obnoxious colors Kelly offers. I have a black 12C for my P-bone which is red and black, and it blends well. I use a white 5G on my silver euph. I'm not sure why they seem to focus on weird colors; I think they thought / think their market is kids, and while it's a great idea for kids to use a plastic mpc (does not dent the bell very much when dropped, nor does it dent itself) I don't get why they don't emphasize / develop colors that serious amateurs would use.
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Re: Looiking for a smaller mouthpiece

Postby Three Valves » Thu Jan 04, 2018 12:15 pm

Glitter Gold works well with lacquer.

So I was told.

By a friend. :oops:
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Re: Looiking for a smaller mouthpiece

Postby the elephant » Thu Jan 04, 2018 1:46 pm

Will a Gitter Gold Kellyberg go with a Thein CC with 24 kt gold plating?

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Re: Looiking for a smaller mouthpiece

Postby Three Valves » Thu Jan 04, 2018 2:03 pm

Uh, I'll have to ask my friend and get back to you...
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Re: Looiking for a smaller mouthpiece

Postby the elephant » Thu Jan 04, 2018 2:34 pm

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Re: Looiking for a smaller mouthpiece

Postby Three Valves » Thu Jan 04, 2018 2:55 pm

My "friend" said they will have to know your hair and eye color, height, weight and astrological sign to give any meaningful reply. :roll:

So I asked the Magic Eight Ball instead.

"Signs point to YES!!"

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Re: Looiking for a smaller mouthpiece

Postby KKORO » Fri Jan 05, 2018 9:52 am

Thanks all for the suggestions and humor. I bought a 22. If that doesn't work, I'll try the 24AW. It took 7 tries before I settled on the Kadja for my euphonium, so I may have a way to go with the tuba.

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Re: Looiking for a smaller mouthpiece

Postby the elephant » Fri Jan 05, 2018 11:45 am

There is nothing wrong with ending up with a box of mouthpieces (or lots that you sell off later) in the search for what a particular horn "wants" for a mouthpiece. It is the interface between you and horn, so it is very important.

Beyond that, pretty much any middle-of-the-road mouthpiece will work until you get to know the horn really well.

I like to tell people that I have a box with about 50 mouthpieces in it. Every time I buy another tuba I go through most of that box searching for what seems to allow me to use that horn the most effectively. Eventually I get everything dialed in the way I want it and I only use that one mouthpiece with that horn ever again. Sometimes it takes me years, too. I had a Yamaha YFB-621 F tuba that I probably used a dozen mouthpiece on in the dozen years I used it at work. However, I had three that got used for most of that time, and only one for about seven years.

So don't be afraid to experiment and to ask questions. Anything you buy and don't like you can sell here. You will lose money every time, unless you buy used in the first place. Take *excellent* care of your pieces so you can ask a decent price when you sell them. And the money you lose: consider that a rental fee if you will, or maybe a sort of lesson fee. Whatever works. It is okay to buy lots of mouthpieces if *you* need the information and experience. It is also okay to buy one mouthpiece and simply stick with it and learn to play it.

My view has always been to search for the best candidate that causes the least negative stuff to come out of the horn, stick with that one only and spend a lot of time learning that mouthpiece.

Best of luck, man!

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