3/4 tuba or a euphonium? Bookmark and Share

The bulk of the musical talk

3/4 tuba or a euphonium?

Postby mwlorrison893 » Thu Feb 08, 2018 1:32 pm

Hello all!

Well as a dad, I am happy to say my 9 year old daughter wants to learn how to play the tuba. I'm curious if I should find a 3/4 size tuba or a euph to teach her on first? What do you all think or have you experienced in teaching a young person. The mouthpiece size is what concerns me, not the size of the horn so much.
mwlorrison893
bugler
bugler
 
Posts: 57
Joined: Wed Nov 02, 2016 1:36 am
Location: Charleston, WV

Re: 3/4 tuba or a euphonium?

Postby swillafew » Thu Feb 08, 2018 1:41 pm

Euphonium has a lot going for it for a beginner. A lot of practical considerations such as just carrying the thing around, let alone blowing on it, would top my list. They are also fun to play and can sound beautiful. You can get a decent one for a modest amount (mine came from Ebay, an restored antique). If she wants to move to either trombone or tuba as she grows, she will have the pump all primed when the time comes.
MORE AIR
User avatar
swillafew
4 valves
4 valves
 
Posts: 921
Joined: Sun Nov 22, 2009 7:20 pm
Location: Aurora, IL

Re: 3/4 tuba or a euphonium?

Postby cctubaneeds » Thu Feb 08, 2018 2:00 pm

I have a background teaching older students 12-13 all the way to 17 year olds. In my experience, some students can switch from one instrument to another and they have great success. But more students struggle in changing instruments and change back. I tried starting students all on small common instrument(ie flute, clar, trumpet, trombone) then moving to all the instruments. I now much prefer students starting on what they want to play, and what they like. They try harder and don’t have that feeling of “I wish I was playing that”.

For you, if you have the ability, put an euph and a 3/4 size (or even a tornister, or stumpy type from Wessex maybe) in your kids hands. Have them make some sounds, with help. Have them pick which one they like better.

To me teaching music has as much to do with motivation to play as playing ease. If it is way too hard to play the instrument(ex putting at 6/4 bat in at 12 years hands which is ridiculous to me) they will not have success; also if they are learning euph just to later play tuba they may loose motivation.

One other option, for my private students, not band class students. I start them in small Eb tubas. It is a good compromise for me, I had a small beater 3/4 for the first couple years then kids bought big comp horns or contrabass horns.

Take the info you like....

Ray
Boosey & Hawkes 782 EEb
Yamaha YBL-830
Yamaha YEP-642S (Not NEO)
cctubaneeds
bugler
bugler
 
Posts: 37
Joined: Thu Nov 06, 2008 6:50 pm
Location: Edmonton AB - Canada

Re: 3/4 tuba or a euphonium?

Postby bloke » Thu Feb 08, 2018 2:14 pm

If she REALLY wants to play the tuba...get her a tuba.

If she REALLY wants to play a tuba-shaped instrument, get her a baritone (euphonium...whatever).

Most importantly !!!

Whatever you decide to buy, buy it from ME !!! :D :oops:

--------------------------------------------------------------------

mouthpiece:

When I was in the 7th grade, my band director handed me one of those Nylon cup mouthpieces (terrible condition: duct-taped to the shank, but that's beside the point). The opening on those is quite large - similar to a Bach #7. Next, I found a truly gigantic mouthpiece (no leak in the middle) on a high shelf: a Holton 52. I managed to vibrate my lips using both of those. :|

I was 11 - and likely larger than your daughter - but many of the 3/4 tubas are outfitted with something really similar to a Bach 25. I feel confident (really) that an average 9-year-old (girl) can make a seal on a Bach 25 and vibrate the lips.
Last edited by bloke on Thu Feb 08, 2018 2:19 pm, edited 3 times in total.
User avatar
bloke
musician/technician/innovator
musician/technician/innovator
 
Posts: 38737
Joined: Sat May 08, 2004 6:04 pm
Location: western Tennessee

Re: 3/4 tuba or a euphonium?

Postby Sousaswag » Thu Feb 08, 2018 2:15 pm

Start them on what they want to play. I played euph for a long time but always wanted to play tuba. When I got the chance I took it and haven't looked back. It can't hurt to be fluent in both, however. I still enjoy euph, but love tuba.
VMI 3302 BBb
Besson 'New Standard' 968 euphonium
User avatar
Sousaswag
bugler
bugler
 
Posts: 64
Joined: Sat Oct 14, 2017 6:12 pm

Re: 3/4 tuba or a euphonium?

Postby Ken Crawford » Thu Feb 08, 2018 2:22 pm

Get a 3/4 CC tuba, start on that so she doesn't have to switch later...
User avatar
Ken Crawford
4 valves
4 valves
 
Posts: 537
Joined: Sat Jun 23, 2012 10:45 am

Re: 3/4 tuba or a euphonium?

Postby bort » Thu Feb 08, 2018 2:23 pm

Tuba

Part of the appeal for the tuba is playing the tuba parts -- at least for me, that bottom bass part is simply what I hear when I hear music, always been that way. The euphonium is nice enough, and I like listening to it... but to play it, with it's melodies, countermelodies, harmony, etc... I simply don't enjoy playing euphonium parts at all.
Willson 3050-RZ
Thein RCC
User avatar
bort
6 valves
6 valves
 
Posts: 8940
Joined: Wed Sep 22, 2004 11:08 pm
Location: Minneapolis, Minnesota

Re: 3/4 tuba or a euphonium?

Postby pioanna » Thu Feb 08, 2018 6:33 pm

If she wants the tuba then go with a 3/4 tuba if she can handle one.
As a side my school did not have tubas for students that young. We used euphs (hard to avoid confusion with the students learning euph but doable) and taught them out of tuba books. That avoided having them have to learn to read the notes down an octave later. Good Luck!
pioanna
lurker
lurker
 
Posts: 3
Joined: Mon Mar 25, 2013 11:39 am

Re: 3/4 tuba or a euphonium?

Postby Tubajug » Thu Feb 08, 2018 6:35 pm

I'm a band teacher and I've done it both ways (switch or start on tuba). So I guess the answer is that it depends. My best tuba players are ones that I switched from other instruments (trombone and baritone), but that's probably because I knew the kids' personalities, motivation, dedication, and knew they would go for it.

Personally, I wanted to start on tuba back in 5th grade, but our school didn't have one available (or so I was told. I now believe that my band director, rightly so, thought I was too small and started me on baritone/euphonium), but I was always planning on playing the tuba. I switched in 7th grade and have continued to love it ever since!

So, as has been said, just let her try both. The more success they can have, and the earlier they can have it, the better off they'll be. Happy honking!
Jordan
King 2341 with a Holton "Monster" Eb bell
H.N. White King Eb
Conn 12J

Used to own, but still a fun thread: Lyon & Healy Eb

If at first you don't succeed, skydiving's probably not for you.
User avatar
Tubajug
5 valves
5 valves
 
Posts: 1446
Joined: Wed Jun 10, 2009 7:23 pm
Location: Lincoln, NE

Re: 3/4 tuba or a euphonium?

Postby ken k » Thu Feb 08, 2018 6:53 pm

if it is possible to try the tuba first and see if she can get the low notes out and sustain a note at least 4 beats, then try tuba. If she really struggles with that then try the euphonium route. I have taught kids both ways and it usually is about a 50/50 chance with kids being able to get down to the low BBb. and also some students just can't hear the difference between the low pitches and have no idea which note they are playing. The really little Yamaha and Jupiter tubas a re pretty small and manageable.

kk
Miraphone Norwegian Star Eb tuba
B&H Imperial Eb tuba
1919 Pan American BBb Helicon
1924 Buescher BBb tuba (Dr. Suessaphone)
1990 Honda GL1500 Goldwing
2001 Mazda Miata
User avatar
ken k
6 valves
6 valves
 
Posts: 2255
Joined: Mon Mar 22, 2004 12:02 am
Location: out standing in my field....

Re: 3/4 tuba or a euphonium?

Postby Northernlb » Thu Feb 08, 2018 6:55 pm

Tuba

Students are the most motivated when playing the instrument that they pick and speaks to them. Number one question parents always ask me. What's the best instrument for my child to play, my answer the one that they choose to play.
Dr. Jason Bouchard
Northern Low Brass
http://northernlowbrass.webs.com/
Northernlb
4 valves
4 valves
 
Posts: 662
Joined: Mon Oct 25, 2010 9:27 pm
Location: Connecticut

Re: 3/4 tuba or a euphonium?

Postby Mark Finley » Thu Feb 08, 2018 7:19 pm

There are tubas out there that are smaller than 3/4 size. Mack brass sells a good one and we already Mentioned the tornister tuba
User avatar
Mark Finley
Low Brass Teacher
Low Brass Teacher
 
Posts: 4593
Joined: Fri Mar 19, 2004 12:08 am
Location: Mesquite, TX

Re: 3/4 tuba or a euphonium?

Postby bloke » Thu Feb 08, 2018 7:37 pm

If you bide your time, you can find one of these VERY small made-in-England Besson (or sometimes engraved Boosey & Hawkes) tubas on eBay for half-or-less this amount in much better condition.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/BESSON-TUBA-BBb/253369545980

They are lively, open-blowing (.689" bore), and play reasonably well in tune.

I don't believe I've ever encountered one (regardless of how badly the finish was worn) with worn-out valves.
I'm pretty sure this model stopped being made nearly two decades ago, but there's nothing on them that ever really needs replacing (aka: "built like a tank"), other than corks, felts, and (maybe...??) guides, which are still available, I'm thinking.

I'm also thinking the bell diameter is only 13", yet a BBb tuba.

If you're REALLY lucky, you might even find one that was supplied with a (European-made/fine quality) Winter case.
=====================================================================
I don't know that I would recommend anyone buying a "gimmick" tuba (odd mouthpipe orientation, etc.) for a student to use.
To me, those fall into the "plastic tubas, and other stuff that people with leftover money buy for fun, such as neon lights in their cars' wheel wells" category.

bloke "...and no...Not all tubas need to be 'new', 'Chinese', or even 'bought from bloke'. :| "
Last edited by bloke on Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:05 pm, edited 1 time in total.
User avatar
bloke
musician/technician/innovator
musician/technician/innovator
 
Posts: 38737
Joined: Sat May 08, 2004 6:04 pm
Location: western Tennessee

Re: 3/4 tuba or a euphonium?

Postby Ken Herrick » Thu Feb 08, 2018 8:11 pm

Ooorrr........, a nice EEb. There seems to be a nice range of good players available at good prices in either new or used condition.
A "full" sized one would be as light as a 3/4 BBb and easy to play and might well never need replacing.
Free to tuba: good home
Ken Herrick
4 valves
4 valves
 
Posts: 875
Joined: Sun Oct 25, 2009 5:03 pm
Location: The Darling Desert in The Land of Oz

Re: 3/4 tuba or a euphonium?

Postby Northernlb » Thu Feb 08, 2018 8:51 pm

I seem to remember at one time students were started on an Eb tuba because of the smaller size.
Dr. Jason Bouchard
Northern Low Brass
http://northernlowbrass.webs.com/
Northernlb
4 valves
4 valves
 
Posts: 662
Joined: Mon Oct 25, 2010 9:27 pm
Location: Connecticut

Re: 3/4 tuba or a euphonium?

Postby TheGoyWonder » Thu Feb 08, 2018 8:55 pm

it's simply not going to end up being that appealing to very many females.
Put her on violin or voice first.
Tuba as fallback.
TheGoyWonder
4 valves
4 valves
 
Posts: 502
Joined: Tue Mar 03, 2015 9:11 am

Re: 3/4 tuba or a euphonium?

Postby Donn » Thu Feb 08, 2018 10:48 pm

Baritone saxophone. (Well, kind of seriously, I've seen at least one little girl with a fixation on bari sax, I'm told it could be due to watching The Simpsons. She'll forget all about the tuba when she gets an earful of the bari sax. Unfortunately, even smaller saxophones are ill suited to normal little girl proportions.)

But seriously, I think bort gets it - tuba is a bass instrument, baritone is melody. If she's a bass player, she'll manage to play the tuba one way or another.
User avatar
Donn
6 valves
6 valves
 
Posts: 4905
Joined: Fri Aug 19, 2005 3:58 pm
Location: Seattle, ☯

Re: 3/4 tuba or a euphonium?

Postby Ken Herrick » Fri Feb 09, 2018 12:54 am

TheGoyWonder wrote:it's simply not going to end up being that appealing to very many females.
Put her on violin or voice first.
Tuba as fallback.


.Funny that! Isn't there some girl with a gig in Eagle Town who beat the crap out of a lot of boys to get the job???????
Free to tuba: good home
Ken Herrick
4 valves
4 valves
 
Posts: 875
Joined: Sun Oct 25, 2009 5:03 pm
Location: The Darling Desert in The Land of Oz

Re: 3/4 tuba or a euphonium?

Postby Three Valves » Fri Feb 09, 2018 8:32 am

Ken Herrick wrote:
TheGoyWonder wrote:it's simply not going to end up being that appealing to very many females.
Put her on violin or voice first.
Tuba as fallback.


.Funny that! Isn't there some girl with a gig in Eagle Town who beat the crap out of a lot of boys to get the job???????


The exception is not the rule.
Who needs four valves??

Mack Brass Artiste
MackBrunner 210L
Bach 12
Kelly 18
User avatar
Three Valves
6 valves
6 valves
 
Posts: 2539
Joined: Wed Jan 07, 2015 10:44 am
Location: The Land of Pleasant Living

Re: 3/4 tuba or a euphonium?

Postby Northernlb » Fri Feb 09, 2018 10:12 am

it's simply not going to end up being that appealing to very many females.
Put her on violin or voice first.
Tuba as fallback.


This is a poor idea, over half of my private tuba and euphonium students are girls, and all are great players. I hope you are joking about your idea, otherwise you should not be commenting on things you have no idea about.
Dr. Jason Bouchard
Northern Low Brass
http://northernlowbrass.webs.com/
Northernlb
4 valves
4 valves
 
Posts: 662
Joined: Mon Oct 25, 2010 9:27 pm
Location: Connecticut

Next

Return to TubeNet

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: alfredr, Baidu [Spider], Google [Bot], oskarolini and 18 guests