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What's a good new inexpensive euphonium?

Postby wooliteeuph » Sat Apr 28, 2018 3:59 am

I've been out of touch with the newer euphs that have come out over the past decade or so. Now that my military career as a euphonium player may be coming to an end, I would be in the market for a horn of my own to finish up school with. Does anyone have any recommendations or reviews out there for the new euphs in circulation? Spending over 8-9 thousand for a horn is out of the question for me at the moment so anyone suggestions would be appreciated
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Re: What's a good new inexpensive euphonium?

Postby bisontuba » Sat Apr 28, 2018 6:25 am

Hi-
MACK Brass 1150 Silver Compensating Euphonium...$995 plus shipping....
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Re: What's a good new inexpensive euphonium?

Postby marccromme » Sat Apr 28, 2018 6:48 am

... or Wessex Dolce cantabile ... mine is an older version I bought used, it plays well, and pretty much in tune except for 4+2 which is a tad low on mine. Check Werdens tuning charts if you want to see his results which match my findings. There are better euphs in this world, but the Dolce is pretty much unbeaten (maybe except Mack Brass, I don't know these) in quality-price ratio.

Alternatively a good used instrument, of course. I have seen Besson Sovereign 3+1 used for around 3000,- to 3500,- $, but Denmark is always more expensive than US.
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Re: What's a good new inexpensive euphonium?

Postby UncleBeer » Sat Apr 28, 2018 7:22 am

I like my Wessex Dolce.
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Re: What's a good new inexpensive euphonium?

Postby Mark Finley » Sat Apr 28, 2018 7:55 am

Wessex and mack brass are nice instruments, but for just a little bit more money you can get the packer 274, which I think is amazing.
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Re: What's a good new inexpensive euphonium?

Postby pauvog1 » Sat Apr 28, 2018 8:43 am

You might want to look into the John Packer euphoniums. I've heard a lot of positive feedback about them.
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Re: What's a good new inexpensive euphonium?

Postby bloke » Sat Apr 28, 2018 9:03 am

Yamaha style: Mack Brass from Tom
Besson style: John Packer (JP274) from me, or someone else
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Re: What's a good new inexpensive euphonium?

Postby wooliteeuph » Sat Apr 28, 2018 9:06 am

I appreciate the feedback. Of those mentioned, what would be some of the negatives as compared to the more popular, expensive horns? Bigger intonation issues, back pressure, valve motion, etc.
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Re: What's a good new inexpensive euphonium?

Postby bloke » Sat Apr 28, 2018 9:11 am

wooliteeuph wrote:I appreciate the feedback. Of those mentioned, what would be some of the negatives as compared to the more popular, expensive horns? Bigger intonation issues, back pressure, valve motion, etc.


none of those, really...

Both in the c. $1XXX range, the Yamaha copy sports all the Yamaha quirks, and the Besson copy sports all the Besson quirks. :|
Both (just as with Yamaha and Besson) can feature frozen slides and sticky valves if not cared for, and both (just as with Yamaha and Besson) will dent if you drop them on the floor.
Possibly (??) the case for the John Packer is a bit better quality, and (having repaired both) the JP is a bit thicker brass (which I do not represent as a positive, but rather as a "just is". Thicker is neither better nor worse, in my view, unless the plan is to allow an instrument to be filled up with filth and lime, and to drop it on the floor).
If (??) you want to bump your budget up to c. $3XXX, John Packer offers a China-soldered-together version of the STERLING euphonium, which is available with-or-without a main slide trigger...and the case is very snazzy..reminiscent of Marcus Bonna.

John Packer "Sterling" JP374 pictured with silver plating and WITHOUT optional main slide trigger:

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snazzy reminiscent-of-Marcus-Bonna-style case (included with JP "Sterling" euphonium:

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Re: What's a good new inexpensive euphonium?

Postby Sousaswag » Sat Apr 28, 2018 11:49 am

Pm sent.
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Re: What's a good new inexpensive euphonium?

Postby Mark Finley » Sat Apr 28, 2018 1:02 pm

I have the packer 274s, and I have a few students that own the mack and Wessex horns. I agree that the packer metal seems to be a bit thicker, and the horn feel more solid. I also like the tone a bit better. It's a little sweeter, more song like, just like an older Besson. The intonation is better than most Bessons, I don't have to use any alternative fingerings, even in high F
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Re: What's a good new inexpensive euphonium?

Postby dwerden » Sat Apr 28, 2018 7:11 pm

I just posted about a Besson New Standard that might be a very good choice for you. You can buy it outright for $1,400, which is a very nice price (this is not my instrument):

http://www.dwerden.com/forum/showthread.php/22268-FS-Besson-New-Standard-Lacquer-4-Valve-Compensating
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Re: What's a good new inexpensive euphonium?

Postby Eflatdoubler » Sat Apr 28, 2018 11:28 pm

I just picked up a JP 274 that I am really happy with. Great horn and great price!
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Re: What's a good new inexpensive euphonium?

Postby nworbekim » Sun Apr 29, 2018 5:10 am

i have only played the King 2280 and the Wessex Festivo... i really like them both.
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Re: What's a good new inexpensive euphonium?

Postby Levaix » Thu May 03, 2018 1:44 pm

I recently picked up the John Packer Sterling BARITONE from bloke and it's a very nice horn (and I still need to write a decent post about it...). I imagine the euphonium equivalent is at the very least decent.

The Yamaha YEP-321 is always an old favorite, and you can find them used for ~$1000 on a regular basis. Ymmv on the 4th valve configuration but sound and playability are great.

New horn prices are crazy lately. A euphonium you could buy for $5000 10 years ago costs $8-9000 now.
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Re: What's a good new inexpensive euphonium?

Postby bloke » Thu May 03, 2018 1:55 pm

Levaix wrote:I recently picked up the John Packer Sterling BARITONE from bloke and it's a very nice horn (and I still need to write a decent post about it...). I imagine the euphonium equivalent is at the very least decent...


I'm glad that you like the 3-comp. JP Sterling series baritone.
I had to play it for about ten minutes until I began to "figure it out".
The English-style baritones (whether bad/cheapo, mediocre, or very good) seem have a larger learning curve (for tuba players) than do euphoniums.
I could immediately tell that it is superior to the Jb, but it took me (again) about ten minutes to find "the center", and to understand that the tuning of the JP Sterling is indeed "very good".

info :arrow: https://www.jpmusicalinstruments.com/prod/john-packer-jp373-sterling-baritone-horn
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These (whether cheapo or - as with yours - nicer) aren't particularly big sellers in the USA, but - (brass band usage aside) as often as the various Ewald brass quintets are performed, seem to me to be ideal for them...
trombone/Ewald - approximately the right type of sound, but valves would help a lot
euphonium/Ewald - a bit too rich, with a tendency to overpower the other four voices
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Re: What's a good new inexpensive euphonium?

Postby Douglas » Thu May 03, 2018 5:45 pm

bloke wrote:Yamaha style: Mack Brass from Tom
Besson style: John Packer (JP274) from me, or someone else


The JP is better than it should be for the price. I have the one with the tuning trigger for the little doubling I do. It's a solid instrument.
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