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YCB 621 versatility? EEb comp in Quintet?

Postby eupho » Tue May 08, 2018 12:09 pm

The YCB 621 is a proven quintet and solo horn. I am curious as to what other situations people have found it works in as opposed to a 4/4 cc, F or EEb?

I have heard some EEb compensating players sound great in quintet(i.e UNT Central quintet, EmpireBrass and British and Australian quintets). Who else out there is playing a compensating EEb horn in their quintet?
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Re: YCB 621 versatility? EEb comp in Quintet?

Postby Mark Finley » Tue May 08, 2018 12:20 pm

Man, you are REALLY over thinking this quintet horn question. Get a horn, not the biggest and not the smallest, and play the hell out of it.

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Re: YCB 621 versatility? EEb comp in Quintet?

Postby Casca Grossa » Tue May 08, 2018 1:32 pm

Mark Finley wrote:Man, you are REALLY over thinking this quintet horn question. Get a horn, not the biggest and not the smallest, and play the hell out of it.

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What he said. It's up to you. I've played everything from a Cerveny 601 to a Miraphone 188, 186, 185 to a PT 8 in quintet. Just find a horn you like and practice the horn and practice how to blend with your quintet.
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Re: YCB 621 versatility? EEb comp in Quintet?

Postby Doc » Tue May 08, 2018 1:34 pm

John Fletcher
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What Roger Bobo said
186!!!
All that, plus $8.00, will get you a venti at Starbucks.
Or in my case, a large can of Folgers.
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Re: YCB 621 versatility? EEb comp in Quintet?

Postby bloke » Tue May 08, 2018 2:19 pm

Send me a list of all the models of "quintet tubas" that you would like to own (for various styles of compositions in different keys and in different ranges), and - over time - I'll locate one of each of those on your list, and sell them to you. :mrgreen:

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Re: YCB 621 versatility? EEb comp in Quintet?

Postby Casca Grossa » Tue May 08, 2018 2:40 pm

bloke wrote:Send me a list of all the models of "quintet tubas" that you would like to own (for various styles of compositions in different keys and in different ranges), and - over time - I'll locate one of each of those on your list, and sell them to you. :mrgreen:

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Re: YCB 621 versatility? EEb comp in Quintet?

Postby ken k » Thu May 10, 2018 10:59 pm

I played a boosey Eb 3+1 comper for over 30 years, perfect quintet horn......
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Re: YCB 621 versatility? EEb comp in Quintet?

Postby eupho » Fri May 11, 2018 10:28 am

Thanks to those who offered worthwhile input.
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Re: YCB 621 versatility? EEb comp in Quintet?

Postby Bill Troiano » Fri May 11, 2018 10:50 am

I used my 621 CC in quintet plenty of times. I prefer using my 186, though. The 186 has more color to the sound, and better pitch. The low notes do pop out easier on the 621. Any tuba would work and have pros and cons. Just pick one you like to play and go with it.
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Re: YCB 621 versatility? EEb comp in Quintet?

Postby Northernlb » Fri May 11, 2018 11:20 am

I would try out a number of tubas instead of trying to find the perfect one. Master one tuba first, learn, and learn from it what you like in terms of sound and response. Since the question was asked, I use a Mirafone 184 CC5U, a little old school compared to the current tastes out there, but it gets the job done with no complaints, which at the end of the day is what we all want.
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Re: YCB 621 versatility? EEb comp in Quintet?

Postby circusboy » Fri May 11, 2018 11:34 am

I think the 621 can do anything short of large ensemble/orchestral work. It's a great jazz horn (see Bob Stewart) and great for modern chamber music (Michel Godard, Jay Rozen).
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Re: YCB 621 versatility? EEb comp in Quintet?

Postby Three Valves » Fri May 11, 2018 12:43 pm

eupho wrote:Thanks to those who offered worthwhile input.


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Who needs four valves??

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Re: YCB 621 versatility? EEb comp in Quintet?

Postby Levaix » Fri May 11, 2018 1:22 pm

Went to a couple recitals in college where the tubist was playing a 6/4 Nirschl CC... Who cares about "appropriateness," it was a blast to listen to. :lol:
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Re: YCB 621 versatility? EEb comp in Quintet?

Postby Doc » Mon May 14, 2018 2:13 pm

Doc wrote:John Fletcher
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What Roger Bobo said
186!!!


186!!!
The 186 comment was likely not very helpful. It is a joke (although not always a joke) us old-timers remember, but the rest was intended to help.

John Fletcher
Have you listened to John Fletcher? As a soloist? With Phillip Jones Brass Ensemble? A short listening to his work will prove the point. A thorough listening should end the discussion of the viability of compensating EEb as a solo/chamber/do-anything tuba for anyone anywhere for any reason.

What Roger Bobo said
If you don't know, Roger Bobo wrote:

"Quite truthfully, I have to admit that I have arrived at the opinion that Eb tuba may be the best compromise for an all around instrument, especially for a beginner, it has enough depth that a low register concept can develop in a healthy way and it has the mobility, higher register and corporal friendliness, which can also develop in a virtuoso way."

"Like most things there is a positive and negative in the selection of the Eb tuba for a beginning student. On the positive side I feel it is the best compromise, the best all round instrument for the reasons stated above. On the negative side there is an abundance of music where the Eb tuba may not be the best choice."

For full context:
Roger Bobo writes about EEB tuba

13 (Joe is always right.)
And he is. His advice is practical, common sense, and logical. It is wise for us to pay attention.

The quirks of learning fingerings (and the risk of nonconformity with American CC/F tuba culture) notwithstanding, EEb is a great all-around instrument, especially in quintets.
All that, plus $8.00, will get you a venti at Starbucks.
Or in my case, a large can of Folgers.
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