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Postby bloke » Sun May 13, 2018 9:21 am

' any reference recordings of this symphony with a really fine serpente player on board...??

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Re: Mendelssohn Reformation

Postby UncleBeer » Sun May 13, 2018 2:53 pm

https://www.amazon.com/Mendelssohn-Symphony-Reformation-Overture-Prosperous/dp/B00UB1QSCC

I've performed this several times on French tuba, and Bloke (and others!) are in luck, as they're now available! :D
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Re: Mendelssohn Reformation

Postby bloke » Sun May 13, 2018 3:17 pm

Much of the W-offered gadgetry does not interest me...and some here know that I've sworn off 6/4-ery...but the "French" tuba...I would like to sit down and mess with one to see "what it's all about". :D

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Re: Mendelssohn Reformation

Postby UncleBeer » Sun May 13, 2018 3:39 pm

That's absolutely the best thing about a salaried orchestra gig: being able to justify instrument purchases. In 15 years on the job with it, I'd played enough Berlioz, Mendelssohn, Ravel, Debussy, Stravinsky, Gounod, Delibes, Saint-Saëns, Messiaen, etc. on it to easily say the French tuba had 'earned its keep'.
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Re: Mendelssohn Reformation

Postby bloke » Sun May 13, 2018 3:51 pm

UncleBeer wrote:That's absolutely the best thing about a salaried orchestra gig: being able to justify instrument purchases. In 15 years on the job with it, I'd played enough Berlioz, Mendelssohn, Ravel, Debussy, Stravinsky, Gounod, Delibes, Saint-Saëns, Messiaen, etc. on it to easily say the French tuba had 'earned its keep'.


I might (??) be examining it as a euphonium replacement for certain quintet works...particularly it
- offers accessible intonation
- plays a strong two-ledgers-below to three-ledgers above (bass clef) range (as does a bass trombone, as I would be looking to REPLACE the euphonium as a bass trombone substitute for the bass trombone oriented brass quintet literature.

Were it to impress me (and - my assumption - at this point - is not-at-all negative, believe me), I might (??) beg that a version be offered that provided a quicker learning curve (such as a 4+2 set up with an intervalic relationship to the typical 4+2 F tuba set up).
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Re: Mendelssohn Reformation

Postby UncleBeer » Sun May 13, 2018 4:01 pm

I know you own a 3+1 Eb, so you're already good with that setup. The 5th is just as it is on any tuba (flat whole step). The only thing that takes getting used to is the 6th.
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Re: Mendelssohn Reformation

Postby tylerferris1213 » Wed May 16, 2018 9:15 pm

As my serpent teacher says about this piece, if you can distinctly hear the serpent, they're playing it wrong haha.
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Re: Mendelssohn Reformation

Postby bloke » Wed May 16, 2018 9:35 pm

just fwiw,

Did Mendelssohn love the French C tuba, and hate the American 6/4 CC tuba?
Which one of the two was originally called a "serpente" ?
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Re: Mendelssohn Reformation

Postby Snake Charmer » Thu May 17, 2018 1:22 am

Mendelssohn loved the English Bass Horn, even if he described it in a letter to his sister as a "type of watering can". But at the time were more serpent players around and the contrabassoons quite underdeveloped, so he combined them to a nice bass voice, playing in octaves.
Last year we played the Reformation, I used my Ophicleide for the Serpent part. (And for the Bass Horn part in the op.24 Ouverture). The recording is quite nice...
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Re: Mendelssohn Reformation

Postby MTFULRUTUBA » Thu May 17, 2018 8:47 am

I was lucky enough to play this several years ago in a local orchestra. I remember packing up to go home and being handed the part by the personnel manager. It worked well on my F tuba, at least, I didn't hear any complaints. I've got the part laying around somewhere...
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Re: Mendelssohn Reformation

Postby the elephant » Thu May 17, 2018 8:51 am

The serpent is just another gimmick. It'll never catch on with the kids.

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Re: Mendelssohn Reformation

Postby bloke » Thu May 17, 2018 11:37 am

Very cool... 8) :shock:
I prompted a "lurker" (and - it appears - a VERY interesting subscriber) to post !
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