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Postby brassbow » Fri Jun 08, 2018 5:50 pm

what is the average decibels a pro can go.
and/or
who fills the hall best regardless off playing to "decibels"
I know loudness and projection are often two separate subjects
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Re: loud

Postby bloke » Fri Jun 08, 2018 9:50 pm

up to 108.336 db, unless they have a blokepiece.
In that case, there is no limit...
...well...There is no limit UNLESS is is made of brass or titanium, or if it is more than 1/10th of an inch thick.
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Re: loud

Postby hup_d_dup » Sat Jun 09, 2018 8:58 am

How far are you from the person playing the tuba? Sound decreases with distance (double the distance = 1/4 of the energy). If you are 10 feet from a sound source and you move to 20 feet the loudness will decrease by about 6dB.

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Re: loud

Postby brassbow » Sat Jun 09, 2018 1:13 pm

hup,true that's why I also asked about projection. I know trumpeters that can bend the needle on a meter but cannot be heard at the back of the hall.
The reason I am asking is to get a basic baseline goal. I figure if I am close to the average' I am doing part of it right. So for the sake of accurate comparison say the meter is on a stand about 4-5 feet away from bell.
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Re: loud

Postby Stryk » Sat Jun 09, 2018 1:25 pm

683db - loud enough to make you puke....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVlS64b_4K8
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Re: loud

Postby Wu299 » Sun Jun 10, 2018 2:50 am

Stryk wrote:683db - loud enough to make you puke....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVlS64b_4K8


Is ... this ... a common thing in the USA?
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Re: loud

Postby Stryk » Sun Jun 10, 2018 8:02 am

Wu299 wrote:
Stryk wrote:683db - loud enough to make you puke....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVlS64b_4K8


Is ... this ... a common thing in the USA?


In certain circles, yes. Hopefully most players know this does NOT sound like a tuba/sousaphone.
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Re: loud

Postby TheTuba » Sun Jun 10, 2018 8:34 am

Stryk wrote:
Wu299 wrote:
Stryk wrote:683db - loud enough to make you puke....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVlS64b_4K8


Is ... this ... a common thing in the USA?


In certain circles, yes. Hopefully most players know this does NOT sound like a tuba/sousaphone.


we had a competition last week during camp. 4 sousas lined up (including me) and we "competed"(in officially) against other high schools.
We won, of course, but at the end most of the people had ran off, and the people that were there had headphones on and had blankets around their heads.lol. :tuba:
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Re: loud

Postby hup_d_dup » Mon Jun 11, 2018 9:03 am

brassbow wrote:hup,true that's why I also asked about projection. I know trumpeters that can bend the needle on a meter but cannot be heard at the back of the hall.
The reason I am asking is to get a basic baseline goal. I figure if I am close to the average' I am doing part of it right. So for the sake of accurate comparison say the meter is on a stand about 4-5 feet away from bell.


I guess your question boils down to; is it possible to make a determination about projection (a subjective judgement) based on a dB level (an objective measurement)? I would say probably not . . . otherwise why would we even talk about projection? For us to discuss projection at all, it must have a different meaning than loudness..

It might be a good idea to start by deciding what projection is. My concept of projection is a sound carries over distance, and that is felt or experienced by the listener with more intensity, regardless of how loud it is played. Good projection doesn't go away when the volume is low.

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Re: loud

Postby timothy42b » Mon Jun 11, 2018 9:38 am

hup_d_dup wrote:How far are you from the person playing the tuba? Sound decreases with distance (double the distance = 1/4 of the energy).

Hup


That is only true for a point source radiating omnidirectionally.

I do not believe those conditions apply to a tuba.

Even for a lightbulb, it is only true far away. The "near field" would be quite a bit different.
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Re: loud

Postby bloke » Mon Jun 11, 2018 10:11 am

I always making a point of standing on the roofs of school buildings on Saturdays at noon.

Those tornado sirens are just as loud miles away as they are ten feet away.
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Re: loud

Postby hup_d_dup » Mon Jun 11, 2018 12:01 pm

timothy42b wrote:
That is only true for a point source radiating omnidirectionally.

I do not believe those conditions apply to a tuba.

Even for a lightbulb, it is only true far away. The "near field" would be quite a bit different.


That's true. The 6dB loss at double the distance is somewhat misleading . . . in addition to the size of the radiator, it also doesn't take into account the ambient reflections.

- BUT -

how deeply do you want to get into the dB side of the discussion? We don't yet have an agreed-upon definition of projection!

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Re: loud

Postby hup_d_dup » Mon Jun 11, 2018 12:03 pm

brassbow wrote:what is the average decibels a pro can go.
and/or
who fills the hall best regardless off playing to "decibels"
I know loudness and projection are often two separate subjects


brassbow, what is projection? A couple of messages ago I gave my own definition; it may not be a good one, and it may not agree with yours.

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Re: loud

Postby Leland » Sun Jun 17, 2018 9:21 pm

Stryk wrote:In certain circles, yes. Hopefully most players know this does NOT sound like a tuba/sousaphone.

If I get around to using my GI Bill, I want to go to an HBCU and play in their band. This is like drag racing for tubas.
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Re: loud

Postby Stryk » Sun Jun 17, 2018 9:27 pm

Leland wrote:
Stryk wrote: This is like drag racing for tubas.


It's the sound of a piston blowing through the roof part of drag racing!
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Re: loud

Postby Antontuba » Mon Jun 18, 2018 12:00 pm

Fritz Kaenzig told me he knew someone who had a sophisticated, high end volume / decibel instrument. Playing as loud as he possibly could, with multiple attempts, the highest reading he was able to achieve was around 7, on a 0-10 scale. When he played as full, rich, as possible, he scored almost 9. He said it’s all about the overtones.
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Re: loud

Postby Leland » Tue Jun 19, 2018 6:58 pm

Stryk wrote:
Leland wrote:
Stryk wrote: This is like drag racing for tubas.


It's the sound of a piston blowing through the roof part of drag racing!

Even awesomer! :lol: :tuba:
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Re: loud

Postby PMeuph » Tue Jun 19, 2018 7:18 pm

Stryk wrote:683db - loud enough to make you puke....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVlS64b_4K8


I get that you're joking, but unscientifically I'll guestimate that they're cracking out 120 db or so. 150 decibels is enough to make you deaf and to make you ill. 200 can kill you.

683db would probably kill everyone you know....
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Re: loud

Postby TheTuba » Tue Jun 19, 2018 7:21 pm

PMeuph wrote:
Stryk wrote:683db - loud enough to make you puke....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVlS64b_4K8


I get that you're joking, but unscientifically I'll guestimate that they're cracking out 120 db or so. 150 decibels is enough to make you deaf and to make you ill. 200 can kill you.

683db would probably kill everyone you know....


683db can kill you by the laptop/PC/phone speaker exploding!
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Re: loud

Postby Stryk » Tue Jun 19, 2018 9:33 pm

PMeuph wrote:
Stryk wrote:683db - loud enough to make you puke....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVlS64b_4K8


I get that you're joking, but unscientifically I'll guestimate that they're cracking out 120 db or so. 150 decibels is enough to make you deaf and to make you ill. 200 can kill you.

683db would probably kill everyone you know....

I am doubting they are close to 120db - an entire 350 piece college marching band is about that.
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