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Postby Gus_Pratt » Sat Jun 09, 2018 8:14 pm

I recently purchased a Conn 80J made about 1925. Valves are in incredible condition. The body has very few dents, but has a few patches that were done very well. When I first saw it, I thought the bell was a sousaphone bell but as I did research, I have come to the conclusion the bell is original to the horn. The bell is 90 degrees, which generally indicates a sousaphone bell; but when I look at the picture from a 20s catalog the bell appears to be a full 90 degrees in the drawing, and I have seen photos online of the 80J with this style bell. Also when I measure the bell it measures 23", which is what the original brochure says the bell should measure. The Conn Loyalist page quotes a 1934 ad that states that they tilted the bell upward in 1934 for better visibility. Can anyone verify the pre-1934 80J bells were a full 90 degrees.

Also I'd like to ask on whether the 80J was designed to use a bit, or whether they were designed to be put on a stand.
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Re: Conn 80J

Postby lost » Sun Jun 10, 2018 7:03 am

The conn 80j had an opening bell collar around 5 something if i remember from the 1 I briefly owned. This is far smaller than any sousaphone bell they ever made.
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Re: Conn 80J

Postby Gus_Pratt » Sun Jun 10, 2018 12:47 pm

lost wrote:The conn 80j had an opening bell collar around 5 something if i remember from the 1 I briefly owned. This is far smaller than any sousaphone bell they ever made.


This horn clearly has the larger bell collar opening, about 6 1/4 or so. But the bell is just under 23" which smaller then most sousaphone bells. Maybe mine isn't an 80J, but S/N puts it at 1925, and it is bell front, front action, three valve. When I look at Conn Loyalist, I do not see any other model with those features in that time frame.
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Re: Conn 80J

Postby lost » Sun Jun 10, 2018 3:06 pm

Weird. Maybe my memory doesn't serve me...a pic would help?
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Re: Conn 80J

Postby Gus_Pratt » Tue Jun 12, 2018 4:46 pm

I'm not real good at photos. Hopefully this works.

https://imgur.com/a/IDIaNPM
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Re: Conn 80J

Postby Gus_Pratt » Tue Jun 12, 2018 4:49 pm

Just for the record, I found this on eBay for $235, and then $160 shipping by Greyhound; So not a bad investment for under $400.
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Re: Conn 80J

Postby lost » Tue Jun 12, 2018 7:22 pm

Image

Mine is in the middle and the last is from a catalog. All horns look similar. Yours does look bigger but who can tell? If it is stamped 80J then it's an 80J? Mine had an original mouthpiece from the 30's stuck in it, and the horn looked as if it hadn't been used since the 30's so to answer your question, no bit methinks.

I also don't think any horn was designed for a stand, but something one does if it is of ergonomic inconvenience or you had to quickly double. This horn was a 4/4 I remember. The valves were toast so it is now a beautiful new front action upright to some lucky person.
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Re: Conn 80J

Postby Gus_Pratt » Wed Jun 13, 2018 5:21 am

Mine is definitely a 5/4. It has a .735 bore, and the branches are almost as big as a 20J.
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Re: Conn 80J

Postby lost » Wed Jun 13, 2018 7:14 pm

Mine was .734 and was definitely a 4/4.

Measure around the bottom of the bell stack , just above the ring with measuring tape.

If it is anywhere in the 14-15 inch area you have yourself a 4/4. If it's over 15 then that is intriguing.
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Re: Conn 80J

Postby Gus_Pratt » Thu Jun 14, 2018 5:29 am

It measures 15 5/8".

According to Conn Loyalist, the 1926 advertisement for the 80J said "This model is of the same bore and pitch as the regular Conn "Monster" BBb Bass, and is in all respects similar to that instrument, with the added feature of the adjustable bell"
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