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Re: What's the best 4/4 BBb PISTON tuba under $10K?

PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2018 10:17 am
by InTuneBb
Ltrain wrote:What’s the best 4/4 BBb PISTON tuba under $10K?


Ltrain wrote:4/4

Re: What's the best 4/4 BBb PISTON tuba under $10K?

PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2018 10:28 am
by bort
I like the Miraphone 1291. Comfortable, easy to play, and a big sound. Very easy to play. Oh yeah, and it's easy to play.

Re: What's the best 4/4 BBb PISTON tuba under $10K?

PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:52 am
by Voisi1ev
I feel like these are all very different horns. Like a 1291 is probably larger than the rest.

Re: What's the best 4/4 BBb PISTON tuba under $10K?

PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2018 12:17 pm
by PlayTheTuba
Although in your list the 1291 is probably the best overall. My personally favorite tuba is the Kanstul 33t the top action version of the 33s. My second favorite overall tubas would be a a toss of the Miraphone 1291, Miraphone 289 same tuba as the 1291/191 but with slanted rotary valves, the B&S gr51, or the B&S gr55 (I think this is the same as the 51 but bigger? not entirely sure). Oh I do also REALLY like the old style and the modern style Kings 2341's as well as the 1241's. Also I find the Eastman 534 and the King 2341 to be same. If you are buying new I would say go with the Eastman, feels like it has slightly better valves and build quality. Although sadly the last time I saw a 33t or s was 2010? Army band conference, I never got a chance to toot on another since :cry: :cry:
Best of luck to your friend! :D :tuba:

Short story:
Best overall tuba on your list: Miraphone 1291
If you want a more nimble tuba go with the King/Eastman
If you want to be even more nimble then go with the Kanstul

Here is a link if haven't seen this thread. Talking about the Miraphone 1291 and the Kanstul 33s in more detail.
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I also find that the 33t and s to play similarly enough to each other to check out this review about the 33t, if detailed reviews for the 33s don't exist.
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EDIT: As pointed out I did some digging and it turns the 1291/191 and 289 BBb's may not be the same tubas with different valve sections. I perhaps thought the since they both share the same bell diameter, similar bore size through the valves, and the small curl? bow? (not sure what you call that) after the main tuning slide was the same. So disregard the part that I wrote saying that the 1291/191 and 289 are the same. I will now make a mental note so I don't spread misinformation in the future. :shock: :oops:

Re: What's the best 4/4 BBb PISTON tuba under $10K?

PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2018 12:53 pm
by PlayTheTuba
Oh another tuba to add to the "Other" category if one can be found for under $10k is the Yamaha 632 Neo BBb. I have never played one nor have I ever seen to try one :( but from what I have been reading it seems to be the best... well tuba so far. Although I am not sure if the Neo is a 4/4 or a 4.5/4 tuba. I do consider the Miraphone 1291 and family to be 4.5/4 tubas, if based only on the title of your post.

Re: What's the best 4/4 BBb PISTON tuba under $10K?

PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2018 1:17 pm
by AndyCat
I would say the Yamaha Neo has to be up there, as well as any (cheaper) 2nd hand Imperial or New Standard 3+1.

Re: What's the best 4/4 BBb PISTON tuba under $10K?

PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2018 2:36 pm
by GC
PlayTheTuba wrote: . . . Miraphone 289 same tuba as the 1291/191 but with slanted rotary valves . . .

Not really. The 1291 is a compact wrapped body style. The 289 is a very tall horn, and the bugle is the basis for the 4/4 Hagen.

Re: What's the best 4/4 BBb PISTON tuba under $10K?

PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2018 5:03 pm
by bloke
good 3-minute pop song from the 1950's - 1960's
- good beat
- easy to dance to

good under $10K 4/4 BBb piston tuba
- good scale
- easy to play, too


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Re: What's the best 4/4 BBb PISTON tuba under $10K?

PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2018 8:42 pm
by ren
Steve Marcus wrote:
The Wessex 6/4 BBb “Grand” was originally marketed as a 5-valve hydraulically built instrument. But now, as a 4-valve instument (otherwise the same tuba as the one reviewed by Chris Olka in YouTube “T&E #4”), it will sell much closer to the $5K range.


Wow.

I cant wait to see what people do with that new prototype Bflat. Even though (bflat tubas Im just not that into you), its not my thing.

Re: What's the best 4/4 BBb PISTON tuba under $10K?

PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2018 9:17 pm
by Steve Marcus
As an employee of the company that builds one of the options listed, I recused myself from the poll.

Re: What's the best 4/4 BBb PISTON tuba under $10K?

PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2018 9:55 pm
by ren
Theres a question missing in this topic....

What does "best" even mean? None of these horns will win anyone a job in the US. Are we saying "best" like best student horn? Best intonation? Im sure these horns do not all sound the same.
Construction? Ergonomics? Weight? Are these horns on the shelf in a retail outlet? How long will I have to wait to get one? If I decided it was "best" for some reason. Warranty?

Im missing the differentiation and assuming all voters have played all these horns.

Re: What's the best 4/4 BBb PISTON tuba under $10K?

PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2018 10:51 pm
by TheTuba
ren wrote:Theres a question missing in this topic....

What does "best" even mean? None of these horns will win anyone a job in the US. Are we saying "best" like best student horn? Best intonation? Im sure these horns do not all sound the same.
Construction? Ergonomics? Weight? Are these horns on the shelf in a retail outlet? How long will I have to wait to get one? If I decided it was "best" for some reason. Warranty?

Im missing the differentiation and assuming all voters have played all these horns.


I think that the Miraphone or King would win jobs.
If your talking about major orchestral auditions than they might.
All in all the horns up there are solid, so maybe his friend is talking about best bang for buck? :D

Re: What's the best 4/4 BBb PISTON tuba under $10K?

PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2018 10:54 pm
by Carnival of Venice
Not to be rude;

Anytime I see the name “ren” and “TheTuba” involved with a thread, I know it HAS to be good...

Re: What's the best 4/4 BBb PISTON tuba under $10K?

PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:02 pm
by TheTuba
Carnival of Venice wrote:Not to be rude;

Anytime I see the name “ren” and “TheTuba” involved with a thread, I know it HAS to be good...

lol :shock: :( :| :D 8) :arrow:

Re: What's the best 4/4 BBb PISTON tuba under $10K?

PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:45 pm
by Ken Crawford
TheTuba wrote:I think that the Miraphone or King would win jobs.
If your talking about major orchestral auditions than they might.
All in all the horns up there are solid, so maybe his friend is talking about best bang for buck? :D


Oh yeah definitely. The King 2341 is winning all the auditions these days. I hear that Gene Pokorny is switching to it.

Re: What's the best 4/4 BBb PISTON tuba under $10K?

PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:46 pm
by bort
The B&S 3301 is also a very fine tuba.

Re: What's the best 4/4 BBb PISTON tuba under $10K?

PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2018 12:27 am
by toobagrowl
I agree with Bort on the B&S/VMI 3301 & 3302 BBb tubas. Those are great 4/4 piston BBb tubas :tuba:

Some people are listing 5/4 & 6/4 rotary tubas (GR-51/55, Fafner, etc). Read the subject title :!:

Re: What's the best 4/4 BBb PISTON tuba under $10K?

PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2018 1:21 am
by tofu
The 1291 shows up at $10,199 at Guitar Center and they show the King 2341 at $7,300. And in my experience you probably have a better chance of seeing a bigger actual selling price discount on the King vs the Miraphone. An almost 3K differential is a pretty big difference in price and ought to buy you a substantially better horn. I'm not sure a 1291 is 40% plus better - especially to the market the King is aiming at and I think there is a difference in who the main market for these 2 horns is. The 1291 I think is closer to a 5/4 and the King is definitely a 4/4. The King is an excellent traditional jazz horn - and a great all around horn. I would not think of the 1291 as a really nimble jazz horn. OTOH the 1291 is a much better HS / College orchestral horn than the King IMHO and better at projecting to the back of the hall. I think for bang for the buck the King is hard to beat and that's why you see so many HS bands with them.

Re: What's the best 4/4 BBb PISTON tuba under $10K?

PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2018 2:11 am
by Mark
TNFJ

Re: What's the best 4/4 BBb PISTON tuba under $10K?

PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2018 2:13 am
by ren
There’s a minor point to be made here. These are unless you are a serious bflat tuba aficionado, student horns we are talking about. Given that let your school buy the tubas until you as a player know whether or not you want to be a tuba player after school.

Buying a tuba even if it’s just a few thousand dollars should reflect your concept of sound. If you don’t have a defined concept of sound nearly any tuba will do until you do. And you could spend money more wisely. Buying a tuba yourself without a concept of sound you want to achieve may not only frustrate you but hinder your progress.

Tubas are getting cheaper but money is money and a tuba that does match your concept could be
A waste of your time which is much more costly than the price of the instrument.