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Melton 2000 x Melton Ursus

Postby cle_tuba » Tue Jul 03, 2018 8:31 pm

Hello guys!
Has anyone had a chance to try out Melton Ursus and Melton 2000?
I would like to hear them ...
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Re: Melton 2000 x Melton Ursus

Postby bloke » Tue Jul 03, 2018 9:39 pm

I've only played three 2000's, three 2155's (lacquered version of 2000), and one Ursus. The lacquered 2155 was the one that I would choose out of all of those...but I would fabricate and install a mouthpipe tube for it that is smaller at the receiver end.

The reason that I would pick that one instrument would be its astonishingly-good intonation characteristics, which none of any of the rest offered...though all mentioned were "OK".

...Is the 2000 back in production, or did you see one offered for sale "used" somewhere?
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Re: Melton 2000 x Melton Ursus

Postby cle_tuba » Tue Jul 03, 2018 10:11 pm

I saw a MW2000 on melton's website: http://www.melton-meinl-weston.com/en/i ... -allround/ and also on the store's website: https: //www.fmb- direkt.de/melton-c-tuba-2000s
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Re: Melton 2000 x Melton Ursus

Postby bloke » Wed Jul 04, 2018 12:52 pm

The ONLY TWO reasons that I did not keep that one particularly 2155 were these:

- It was in new condition, and I was able to flip it for double it's acquisition cost.
- I have a 1920's Buescher 4/4 CC "build" in the wings, and - if it proves to be as fine an instrument as it hints that it will be - it's playing characteristics may (??) exceed those of that one-in-particular model 2155. However, I doubt that (though, even if "extraordinarily good") the Buescher's intonation characteristics will exceed those of that one particular 2155.

...and yes, I would have fabricated a more conservative mouthpipe for that 2155, and no, doing that would not have had any effects on its intonation characteristics, as I've done that with two others, and there was no intonation-changing effect.
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Re: Melton 2000 x Melton Ursus

Postby MikeMason » Wed Jul 04, 2018 1:33 pm

Intonation was not its only strong suit. Great horn.
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Re: Melton 2000 x Melton Ursus

Postby bloke » Wed Jul 04, 2018 4:19 pm

The really-large-on-the-small-end mouthpipe (2155/2000) results in a bit of (to my taste) a hollow sound, but (I believe most all of us agree) anyone else listening (other than some other tuba player) would say, "It sounds like a tuba".

By today's standards, it's a 4/4 tuba. I believe the stock mouthpipe was an attempt to push it into the 5/4 category, both sonically and categorically.
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Re: Melton 2000 x Melton Ursus

Postby besson900 » Wed Jul 04, 2018 4:28 pm

I had a chance to play on Ursus and to be honest it wasn't for me instrument worth 15k euro. I never played on 2000 so i can tell You what i think about it but i checked this instrument and i have question:

CAN YOU EXPLAIN ME WHY IT COAST 21(fckn TWENTY ONE !!!!) thousand euro, it is more than Baer :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :?: :?: :?:

Here is the link to FMB website where is price of it
https://www.fmb-direkt.de/en/brasswind- ... tuba-2000s
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Re: Melton 2000 x Melton Ursus

Postby bloke » Wed Jul 04, 2018 4:38 pm

besson900 wrote:I had a chance to play on Ursus and to be honest it wasn't for me instrument worth 15k euro. I never played on 2000 so i can tell You what i think about it but i checked this instrument and i have question:

CAN YOU EXPLAIN ME WHY IT COAST 21(fckn TWENTY ONE !!!!) thousand euro, it is more than Baer :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :?: :?: :?:

Here is the link to FMB website where is price of it
https://www.fmb-direkt.de/en/brasswind- ... tuba-2000s" target="_blank" target="_blank


Currently out of stock (delivery time on request)


I haven't heard of one having been manufactured in quite a few years...
The only time I encounter pictures of them is (as you've found) on websites where they are reported to be "out of stock".
I believe the 2155 (lacquer) version would be a good seller at c. $13K - were they all to play as well in-tune as the one that I happened to purchase...
...but (well...maybe not), "intonation" (at least, in TubeNet polls) never seems to hit the top of the list.
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Re: Melton 2000 x Melton Ursus

Postby binlove » Wed Jul 04, 2018 5:44 pm

There is currently a 2000 in the showroom in Geretreid. Based on that, I have to think they’ll make you one if you have the cash.

To the original question, I played both the 2000 and the Ursus in Geretsreid about a month ago. For reference, I owned a great 2000 when I was playing professionally (thanks Morris K). I loved that tuba and felt it was very easy to play.

With that said, for me the Ursus is hands down the better player - more feedback to the player, more responsive, and much better low register. But, the ergonomics of the 2000 were more comfortable.

The Tuono they had was a whole other level above both of those.
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Re: Melton 2000 x Melton Ursus

Postby Matt Walters » Wed Jul 04, 2018 5:47 pm

INTERESTING how things go FULL CIRCLE. I agree it would be fun to compare them back to back on someone else's dime. Here is a story from about 15 years ago that applies here.

In the pre Buffet Group days when Dillon Music was a Meinl Weston dealer importing Meinl Weston products directly from the company in Germany, we asked Meinl Weston to make an exclusive horn for us. The MW2157 was to be the MW 2155 body but with the original bigger 19" bell from the VMI Apollo F tuba, and the more efficient MW 45SLP leapipe. They said, "Okay but we'll have to charge you more money and by the way, we're coming out with the 5450 that is also bigger than a 2155 but going to sell for even less and every dealer can sell that against your MW 2157." Wasn't that nice of them? We went ahead and stocked then sold several of our MW 2157 tubas to discriminating players over the next couple years. Then came the WWBW bankruptcy / Tubadome fiasco and that is another very long story.

Follow along to see how this goes in a full circle: Since they replaced the big 19" bell on the original Apollo F tuba with the 17.75" bell from a 2155, we knew the bigger 19" bell would fit a 2155. I think the 19" bell on the original Apollo F tuba came from the B&S GR-41 (B&S PT606P). Could be vice versa, but I had to say a VMI product to stay away from the B&S exclusivity issue in those days.

Now a many years later, the B&S GR-41 is reinvented as the MW 3225-2 Ursus with GR-41 branches but the smaller 17.75" bell from a MW 2155/2000. On the Ursus, the 5th valve is moved from just after the 4th piston on the GR-41 to the bugle side of main tuning slide. Then, the slide tubing is rearranged to be like current Meinl Weston tubas. Same valve block. I'm thinking the leadpipe is smaller on the Ursus than what is was on the MW 2155/2000. On the Ursus you can change the mouthpiece receiver gap by changing bits in the receiver.

So 15 or more years ago I proposed a horn similar to the MW 2000/2155 with a little more breadth of sound but not as chubby as the GR-41 by putting on a bigger bell on the thinner 2155 body. Now they have taken the larger bodied GR-41 and tightened it up with a smaller bell.


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Re: Melton 2000 x Melton Ursus

Postby bloke » Wed Jul 04, 2018 7:08 pm

I played a very warmed up 3225 at Midwest two or three years ago. My mouthpiece is not a bucket by any means, but I could not quite (close, but...) play that instrument up to pitch. About an hour earlier, I noted that the instrument model's signature player was warming up on it. I'm sure the instrument is just the right length for them... me...?? Were it capable of being pushed in another five eights of an inch, it would be easier for me, personally, to play. Comparing that singular 2155 (which played so well in tune) to that particular 3225, that mint condition 2155… Well… played better in tune (with itself), but that instrument may well have been an anomaly, because I have not encountered another 2155 or 2000 that played as well and tune is that particular one.
...I guess I'm saying I would've been very interested in trying out your 2157, Matt.
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Re: Melton 2000 x Melton Ursus

Postby ckalaher1 » Thu Jul 05, 2018 2:11 am

The 3225 that I played was a very nice playing tuba, and it seemed to be nicely in tune with itself, although I didn't put it on a tuner. Even response top to bottom. No weird responding notes or anything like that.

Having said all that, I found it to be a pretty uncomfortable tuba to hold. Seemed like a real reach to the valve section, and I'm tall with long arms. I don't remember much about the couple of 2155/2000s that I blew on, but I don't recall them being uncomfortable at all.

The 3225 seemed pretty expensive, too. The 3450 seemed like a more comfortable tuba at a lower price point with similar sonic capabilities, at least to me.
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Re: Melton 2000 x Melton Ursus

Postby sweaty » Fri Jul 06, 2018 9:51 am

I own an Ursus, and I've found that lower register notes tend to be a bit low (which was fixed with a slightly shallower mouthpiece). But the Ursus has an incredibly beefy sound that you can't get with a 3450. Ergonomically, it takes a little bit of getting used to, but I find it comfortable to hold. You just have to rotate the horn towards you.
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Re: Melton 2000 x Melton Ursus

Postby bloke » Fri Jul 06, 2018 11:34 am

sweaty wrote:well-composed and candid post


i would just like to let you know that I'm jealous as hell of your username. :tuba:
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Re: Melton 2000 x Melton Ursus

Postby djwpe » Fri Jul 06, 2018 4:43 pm

bloke wrote:
sweaty wrote:well-composed and candid post


i would just like to let you know that I'm jealous as hell of your username. :tuba:


I think I read in the rules that once every 40,000 posts you're allowed to steal someone's username.
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Re: Melton 2000 x Melton Ursus

Postby bloke » Fri Jul 06, 2018 4:54 pm

djwpe wrote:
bloke wrote:
sweaty wrote:well-composed and candid post


i would just like to let you know that I'm jealous as hell of your username. :tuba:


I think I read in the rules that once every 40,000 posts you're allowed to steal someone's username.


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Re: Melton 2000 x Melton Ursus

Postby cktuba » Fri Jul 06, 2018 7:43 pm

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Yeah, I'd love to own one of those.
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